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And that's where coaching comes in. Good coaches get the most out of their players. They can't get more from them than the players have in them, John Cooper couldn't take the Ducks this season and win the SC, but they can get more out of them than even the player realizes he has.

Getting the mix right is a factor too. Even with good players this team is bad. The personality of it is unchanged for over a decade. Low effort, constantly injured, apocalyptically streaky. It doesn't seem to matter who the players are, who the coaches are, etc. The sum is never as good as the parts.

If your actions are going to cause "suffering" you need to pick a different course of action. And if you can't see that, you need to be removed from your position. Their in the entertainment business. There is nothing entertaining about being made to suffer.

You think we should be trading for more 1st rd picks?

My father in law taught school with Bryan Murray and knew the family. He used to say they were tough and honest people who told it like it was. I don’t think diplomacy was GMTMs strong suit and the meddling was probably too much.

Like letting your best players leave. I can't understand why that isn't working.

I don't blame Regier for being honest about the suffering. How wants to lose on purpose? He was probably already sick of Terry and knew he was going to mess it up.

Who knew George Costanza had bought the team? (Especially considering the OTHER franchises are good to great.)

FWIW, I think maybe 2-3 guys from the current roster will be on the team the next time they make the playoffs.

fwiw, i would dissent from comparing a desire to keep peterka to an affection for "garbage." but i take the point, i think. nothing is working. nothing has worked. like the man said.

Pretty amazing that the wrong choices get made every single time. Unprecedented consistency.

Well, in fairness, to give the devil his due, the "no, not like that" has been right 14 years running.

We gotta do something to make the team better! No, not like that!

Reinhart wanted out when he saw another rebuild coming and the Eichel injury situation unfolding. He did the one year extension prior to that year, and then wanted out. Some people may have said culture changes were needed when the narrative was Eichel was a bad boy, so Reinhart by association must be one too. Of course both players have matured and disproved all of that.

Obviously getting significant more value in a trade is a win - that has nothing to do with whether the value is what the team needed to be a better team as a whole. This team is just as bad or worse with mitts on it instead so getting much more value that we can hopefully flip for what we actually need is a big win still to this day

Can't trade the good guys because we need them Can't trade the bad guys because nobody wants them. Can't sign free agents because nobody wants to come here. Can't really do anything because Kevyn Adams is the GM and Terry Pegula is pulling his strings. Pretty much where every conversation around here ends up.

Stockholm Syndrome.

We haven't won a playoff series since 2007. So yes, it's not gotten us much.

I'm not too worried about how it will work out. It's just one of those "when worlds collide" situations, like when I discover two friends I know from different situations actually know each other. In the "first few years" of his career, I'll be retiring anyway.

Well, in fairness, the only truly "untradeable" player on the roster is Dahlin.

There is no perfect formula. If there was teams would follow it. There are things that work for teams at certain times and things that don't. Any formula used assumes you execute it perfectly or damn close. What is clear is that the Sabres have not executed any formula very well. The results speak for themselves.

No. He was s hipped out because he told the team he was not going to be re-signing.

What stuck out to me is the “building block” along with Dahlin. Probably nothing but only one current player named?

Glad to see. Makes me think JJP and Quinn will be shipped out. On a cautionary note, wasn't Samson shipped out as a culture change move?