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You need to fire the entire front office including a lot of these scouts that keep pushing soft players!

Why single out Tage? They all did and Okposo let it go.

I would love to know the rationale behind the red Xs about Tage. This is the guy that took absolutely no responsibility for sucking when the fans started calling for Donnie's head, and instead decided to stop the post game salute as punishment. That's not a leader.

That’s a really good point. Let the smaller market teams line Buffalo lose so the bigger market teams can make the NHL lots and lots of more money.

It's difficult to develop that 'hate-to-lose' culture when ownership/management keeps moving the guys who truly hate to lose out of the organization. O'Reilly hated to lose, put that feeling into words, and was traded. Eichel and Reinhart were sick of losing and didn't want to go through another rebuild. Adams claimed that they didn't want to be here, traded them and then proceeded with his idiotic and doomed rebuild. It's difficult to build that hate-to-lose culture when you label those players who voice dissatisfaction with losing as dissenters to the cause, and then move them out of the organization.

It’s a leadership issue all around. Dahlin is a talented player who leads by example, but this team needs an alpha male with a strong personality as a co-captain. Still confounds me Ruff didn’t replace the Assistant Captains. Not a one of them has the right stuff, imo. Want a jolt? I would strip them all of the A and give an A to Zucker, a guy who isn’t infected by losing and last season’s debacle who has the ice cred to get the attention of the group.

They’re down 3 forwards from their planned opening roster. I doubt Geerston being in the roster was the plan. Him playing each game certainly wasn’t. Keeping him around once the ***** hit the fan and not calling up a better option? Yes, that one’s on Ruff. If they’re ever fully healthy, I can’t see the numbers working out to keep him up. But hey then we can be scared of the waiver claim that’s never coming.

Oh I understand now... yes I was being dramatic about that i should have said Buffalo and qualified it with relevant free agents ... now I get the roll thing too... "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!" "Shut up he's on a roll" ... lol well played

This is my view from 15 years of playing hockey (not counting beer league) and a dozen years of coaching youth hockey--and just generally being a rink rat: Granato was in over his head, but he had the locker room behind him (until the end when it was apparent he was not coming back) and managed to get the most out of every player on the ice as a result. Lindy has the experience, but I don't think he has the buy-in and he is not getting nearly 100% from the majority of players. Granato was not a good strategist. His game management and inflexibility toward trying new lines (or anything new, frankly) being two notable shortcomings that no rose-tinted glasses will favorably color. His line deployments were, at least at times, best described as "questionable." Yet the team consistently outperformed--or, as you pointed out, at least 'met'--expectations. That's because he was the motivator that Ralph Krueger was supposed to be. The problem is that Granato was simply over his head at the NHL level. And this is where it gets most frustrating for me. As time has passed, it's become abundantly obvious that Granato was a good coach--just not at the NHL head coach level. Firing Granato and bringing in Ruff was a nostalgia-driven attempt at bringing in an NHL-level coach, but it ignored the consequences from the team morale side. The roster construction has improved since the time of Granato, but the team itself hasn't because Ruff doesn't connect with the players the way Granato did. I firmly believe if Granato had the current defense--and I'll even take the goaltending tandem of Lyon and completely-unproven-Ellis with it--he could get the Sabres into the playoffs. While we have 100 different things to scream about over the last decade and a half, one continuous tie-in is the assistant coaching. Granato might have succeeded as a head coach even in spite of the roster construction if he had a "game" coach on the bench with him who could have directed/advised him on strategy--even Mike Peca could have probably filled this role despite him also being a relative rookie. Granato needed someone to help fill in the strategy side for him. Shockingly, the powerplay extraordinaire, Matty Ellis, wasn't able to do that. I mean, ideally, Granato would have been an assistant coach and Buffalo would have hired a serious head coach, but that would be asking too much. Thing is, and to circle back to your closing point, I don't think replacing Granato was itself a bad move because, much like everything else, it's just a small part of the bigger issue. Granato wasn't an NHL-caliber coach, but he might have become one if he was given the support he needed and he'd have done it with (or in spite of?) the "in-house" roster Adams constructed. It's the same reason why so many of our players find success elsewhere. The organization doesn't understand support.

Good. How are you not on board with this? I'm not trying to be antagonist, it's a legitimate question in the hopes of discussion.

Because free agents sign in new York state every off season, that's why it's odd

I really don't know this version yet but I thin they will absorbed by the past culture of losing. I thought Norris was a good player whenever we played Ottawa. I think I could like Kesserlring, Doan, and Danforth. I think Lyon gives his all. But any realistic person looks at who came in and knew that their impact would not be enough. The power play is still bad, the top 6 is impotent, and Adams focuses on the 4th line and the 6/7/8 defensemen. The coaches are being ignored. Lindy can complain afterwards about it, but what is he doing? The Avs are starting their road trip in Buffalo tomorrow and they will be expecting two points.

And depending on where this is on his face, your vision and airways come into play.

Hockey locker rooms are gross.

Well, of course. If Karmanos is picked just to be the next guy who won’t rock the boat, then he wouldn’t be successful. Here’s the thing: the owner isn’t getting fired. If it is truly the case that there is no hope under Pegula, then there isn’t much point of us being here, short of habit or masochism. My opinion is that there are GM candidates out there who would simply be better at the job than Adams. Karmanos might be one such person (and might not be). It’s the known vs unknown factor. One way or the other, we are left hoping that some positive confluence of circumstances leads Pegula to hiring the right candidate next time.

It's what I think will happen this year... not sure why its odd... and i am confused about how its been repeatedly proven untrue... each year is a new year that is an amalgamation of prior years. This is the year I think the levy breaks... you think I am odd or stupid or whatever that's fine but it has not repeatedly proven untrue as this is a new year with this team carrying forward the consistent losing, frustration and dysfunctional culture forward... at what point are stars like Dahlin etc done with it... I think it starts this year.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/vance-trump-options-invoke-insurrection-act-national-guard-rcna237060 "Vance says Trump is 'looking at all his options' as the president threatens to invoke the Insurrection Act."

Odd comment and repeatedly proven untrue but I guess forget it you're rolling.

Remember Jay McKee and his staff infection those are nasty

As good as a job he is doing with the Bills now is as bad as he is doing with the Sabres.

20 games. If it’s a disaster, we have to pull the plug. Get DeBoar in here.

The problem is Karmanos is part of this mess. If it is just promoting him than all the other 💩 stays onboard and the Ruff to Appert succession plan stays in tact

So here is where I am at... he has decided on Jarmo who clearly was not influential in a positive way this off-season who knows if he had any input... I think TP will be forced to do something... the player exodus will start with stars Dahlin Thompson etc wanting trades... Adams will get fleeced, Sabres will miss the playoffs, Adams will get promoted to POHO because Terry needs his a$$ sniffing sycophant, Jarmo will get moved to GM. Ruff will get fired and the worst PP coach in the history of the league appert will get made head coach. We will be devoid of any real talent, stuck with massive contracts like Norris, Power, Greenway, Muel etc who probably won't even make a half a season without being hurt agaaaain... literally no free agents will even consider entering New York state let alone come here. And if you thought this dysfunction bush league incompetent abyss was bad... you ain't seen nothing yet

If you get 4 minutes a game, you'd better be getting 8 hits and drawing instigators left and right. Keep your elbows down, stay on your skates, and run people. Get the home crowd excited and your teammates engaged. Whatever it is Geertsen does, he doesn't do that. Kiefer Sherwood had 462 hits last season (which is silly!), but he already has 11 this season. Geertsen has 3. Go be a cult icon. It'd be so easy to be beloved by the Sabre.... hood? Sabrehospicecenter?

Granato was an assistant under Krueger. Granato's role as an assistant was to help Krueger install his system and vision for how the team would play. You can’t be more opposite than Granato from Krueger when it comes to a philosophy on how to play hockey. I have no idea if Jason Karmanos would be a good GM. But I also have no reason to think he would simply continue on with the same plan/ideas/vision as Adams. I would prefer Rob Blake, of the experienced people available, but I would take Karmanos over Adams in a second.