Here we go again…..Kevyn

[Doohickie]

2 hours ago, Carmel Corn said:

I don’t think there is a single GMKA fan left on this board.

He's playing 6D Chess.  Just wait.  You'll see.

[LGR4GM]

By the end of November this team will be playoff dead and Adams will still not get fired. 

[Flashsabre]

29 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

By the end of November this team will be playoff dead and Adams will still not get fired. 

He’s got another power point presentation with all the buzzwords that Pegula is looking for. 
He’ll extend him 5 years when he sees the phrase “Make Appert new Head Coach”

[LGR4GM]

15 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

He’s got another power point presentation with all the buzzwords that Pegula is looking for. 
He’ll extend him 5 years when he sees the phrase “Make Appert new Head Coach”

I would bet obscene amounts of money, that Adams used a ton of buzzwords and Terry ate up. The Sabres are run like "the office" except Michael Scott was a legit salesman. 

[Thorny]

5 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Terry didn't want to spend money and likes Kevyn. Pegula wants to play hockey while enjoying the sunshine that is the Bills, meaning his hockey team is secondary to his interests. 

They're going to waste an entire season so Adams and all the coaches contracts expire, and then bring in new ppl next year... by new I mean Appert and Kekalainen. 

Terry is like most billionaires, he likes the smell of his own b.o.

Exactly, absentee 

4 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Pegs keeps him not because of his performance, but because he is obedient, he takes the arrows for the owner, he will never cast any blame on the owner. 

Pegs doesn't want a GM, he wants a PR person to protect him And make him feel listen to and important.

If the sabres started out with a new owner tomorrow, be honest: you’d give Adams a chance at GM 

You aren’t fooling anyone lol

3 hours ago, inkman said:

Are there NHL GM’s routinely throwing the team owner, their boss, under the bus? 

He doesn’t get it 

[Thorny]

3 hours ago, Carmel Corn said:

I don’t think there is a single GMKA fan left on this board.  He has failed miserably and this is the ONLY team (i.e. owner) in the entire NHL that has still allowed this disaster (GMKA) to keep his job.  The fish stinks at the head, so all fingers point to Pegula and his indifference to the fans.

There are

there are folks who refuse to lambast his performance without a caveat. When you will quite literally never offer a job critique of said person without including the caveat it’s incredibly telling 

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[Slack_in_MA]

2 hours ago, inkman said:

I think you are giving too much credit to Adams having anything resembling a plan.  He’s been winging it with terrible results. 

[Thorny]

2 hours ago, inkman said:

I think you are giving too much credit to Adams having anything resembling a plan.  He’s been winging it with terrible results. 

Plan was always a slow play rebuild. This is why Eichel asked to be traded. Remember 

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

Exactly, absentee 

If the sabres started out with a new owner tomorrow, be honest: you’d give Adams a chance at GM 

He's absentee for the day to day but when decisions are made I bet he's not. Trade deadline, draft, free agency, he's around giving his thoughts or orders. 

Ik you're referring to the UPL debate you are having. Idk if Terry cares enough for that but we do know Terry has favorites so maybe that's what upl is. I doubt he cares about the lineup each night unless something happens. 

[Thorny]

6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

He's absentee for the day to day but when decisions are made I bet he's not. Trade deadline, draft, free agency, he's around giving his thoughts or orders. 

Ik you're referring to the UPL debate you are having. Idk if Terry cares enough for that but we do know Terry has favorites so maybe that's what upl is. I doubt he cares about the lineup each night unless something happens. 

In the macro, sure: like all owners. The reason he can stay away day to day is because he *agrees with* Adams.

of COURSE it is the job of the gm to convince the owner of a good team building tact. We can say Adams is incapable of doing this, which makes him an utter failure, but in reality it’s worse: he and the owner simply see it the same way. No convincing necessary 

it’s not a competent GM who’s having his good ideas shot down by a buffoon, it’s a buffoon who brings incompetent ideas to the table because he was chosen by someone who shares his incompetence 

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[Stads]

I don't understand why the Bills get every possible advantage from this owner and the Sabres get left behind. Beane does not seem like a yes man like Adams. Why does Terry accept that from him but doesn't want someone with more power for the Sabres? I love the Bills but actually enjoyed the Sabres run in the mid 2000s much more than the current Bills' run

[Thorny]

5 minutes ago, Stads said:

I don't understand why the Bills get every possible advantage from this owner and the Sabres get left behind. Beane does not seem like a yes man like Adams. Why does Terry accept that from him but doesn't want someone with more power for the Sabres? I love the Bills but actually enjoyed the Sabres run in the mid 2000s much more than the current Bills' run

Because Terry doesn’t care as much about the sabres. He doesn’t understand hockey and the combo led to him hiring an awful GM. The theory he’s just hiring a yes man doesn’t fit anymore and hasn’t for a while - Bills comp proves it. He hired the guy who was already inclined to build the team in a fashion he liked. And he lets him flounder because he’s a terrible owner for the sabres 

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[mjd1001]

19 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Exactly, absentee 

If the sabres started out with a new owner tomorrow, be honest: you’d give Adams a chance at GM 

You aren’t fooling anyone lol

 

No I wouldn't.  I'd want changes from top to bottom.

You never understood my point about Adams. I would not give him another chance under a new owner. My whole problem with the owner is, a new GM won't change much if the Owner sets the rules from above.  Its not that Adams needs a new owner to suceed, its just that a new GM won't do much different under this owner.  I have not recently fully supported Adams.

If/when we get a new GM, is he going to be given full autonomy over decisions? Sure, he'll had to run him by Pegula, but it needs to be more of a "this is what I am doing and let me tell you why", rather than getting Pegula's input.

I have been indifferent to the GM changing, because that change alone, with no other changes around it, won't do much unless the owner changes (or at least changes how he operates.)

Edited 2 hours ago by mjd1001

[Thorny]

17 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

No I wouldn't.  I'd want changes from top to bottom.

You never understood my point about Adams. I would not give him another chance under a new owner. My whole problem with the owner is, a new GM won't change much if the Owner sets the rules from above.  Its not that Adams needs a new owner to suceed, its just that a new GM won't do much different under this owner.  I have not recently fully supported Adams.

If/when we get a new GM, is he going to be given full autonomy over decisions? Sure, he'll had to run him by Pegula, but it needs to be more of a "this is what I am doing and let me tell you why", rather than getting Pegula's input.

I have been indifferent to the GM changing, because that change alone, with no other changes around it, won't do much unless the owner changes (or at least changes how he operates.)

I did, we’ve had this conversation a few months back and you intimated that you wouldn’t be opposed to seeing what Adams could do “unencumbered”. You’ve changed your stance since then - to that I said congrats and welcome to the wiserhood

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[mjd1001]

42 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I did, we’ve had this conversation a few months back and you intimated that you wouldn’t be opposed to seeing what Adams could do “unencumbered”. You’ve changed your stance since then - to that I said congrats and welcome to the wiserhood

To be clear, I think he would do a 'better' job unencumbered (how much better may still not be good enough)...however, at this point it might be better to blow the whole thing up. And by that I mean Adams AND everyone else in the front office, they all have to go.  There is just to much of the potential to 'overvalue' their own guys they brought in.  A new set of eyes from the outside is less likely to do that.

Edited 1 hour ago by mjd1001

[thewookie1]

With the captain and 1D on a LOA, let's start fixing the staff now so we can surprise him with a new vision when he returns.

[Thorny]

22 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

To be clear, I think he would do a 'better' job unencumbered (how much better may still not be good enough)...however, at this point it might be better to blow the whole thing up. And by that I mean Adams AND everyone else in the front office, they all have to go.  There is just to much of the potential to 'overvalue' their own guys they brought in.  A new set of eyes from the outside is less likely to do that.

Absolutely better to blow the whole thing. No may and maybe about it 

Jarmo i guess is open to interpretation 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Stads said:

I don't understand why the Bills get every possible advantage from this owner and the Sabres get left behind. Beane does not seem like a yes man like Adams. Why does Terry accept that from him but doesn't want someone with more power for the Sabres? I love the Bills but actually enjoyed the Sabres run in the mid 2000s much more than the current Bills' run

What do you think the Bills get that the Sabres do not? if anything they benefit from Terry's LACK of involvement.

57 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Absolutely better to blow the whole thing. No may and maybe about it 

So we are giving up the season already? Beating the Christmas rush?