McDavid extends for 2 years at $12.5m per year

[Eleven]

31 minutes ago, rickshaw said:

 Bowman didnt didn’t do diddly. McDavid dictated this. He is giving Stan this small window to surround him with better players. Anyone could have signed him to this deal.

Anyone could have signed the best hockey player in the world for 12.5M for the best remaining years in his career when Kaprizov is getting 17M?  I always knew you get the "better stuff" in BC.

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[Thorny]

3 minutes ago, ska-T Palmtown said:

If feel like another GM picking up the phone and talking to McDavid (his agent, really) while under contract with the Oilers is a major rule violation that could forfeit draft picks ... probably why no one did it.

A minor technicality 

[matter2003]

7 minutes ago, ska-T Palmtown said:

If feel like another GM picking up the phone and talking to McDavid (his agent, really) while under contract with the Oilers is a major rule violation that could forfeit draft picks ... probably why no one did it.

 

It was intended as humorous based on the post I replied to.

[ska-T Palmtown]

1 minute ago, matter2003 said:

 

It was intended as humorous based on the post I replied to.

ugh - once again, I am the stick in the mud!

[Thorny]

10 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Anyone could have signed the best hockey player in the world for 12.5M for the best remaining years in his career when Kaprizov is getting 17M?  I always knew you get the "better stuff" in BC.

McDavid signed that deal as a symptom of the fact Bowman specifically *didn’t* do a good job. What do you think the deal and term looks like if the Oilers had won a cup? So Bowman failing to craft a team worthy of the talents of McDavid results in him signing an even better deal? Doesn’t make any sense. It’s purely a commentary on McDavid choosing to give the team one more small chance. Any GM in Edmonton would have gotten the same deal, as it’s a McDavid call

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*obviously* the oilers would be after a long term deal if they could get it. The, what, 6-8 million they are saving for 2 years is a *small pittance* relative to the potential lost income from losing said best player in the world that the franchise would see in ticket sales and marketing should they let him get away. “They’ll save some salary cap for 2 years” is myopic.

Not to mention, McDavid is 28 not 38 lol. They’d need to be exploring dealing him at 30 should this window not pan out. “Best years” is rich when I’d imagine McDavid’s trajectory would compare much more likely to Sid Crosby’s and his *best* years were arguably in his 30s

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[French Collection]

Just now, rickshaw said:

 Bowman didnt didn’t do diddly. McDavid dictated this. He is giving Stan this small window to surround him with better players. Anyone could have signed him to this deal.

McJesus  doesn’t want to be the bad guy and leave next summer but he is preparing the Edmonton fans for a farewell.

3 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

I don't think an athlete of this magnitude (at this point in their career) has ever given a hometown discount of this magnitude.

Holy shnikes.

(Maybe I lack context. Did Brady leave a lot of money on the table in NE?)

Crosby has been making $8.7M for the last 10 years.

[matter2003]

1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:

I don't think an athlete of this magnitude (at this point in their career) has ever given a hometown discount of this magnitude.

Holy shnikes.

(Maybe I lack context. Did Brady leave a lot of money on the table in NE?)

It's estimated that Brady gave up at least $60 million with some sources estimating it at over $100 million versus what he could have demanded with NE.

[Eleven]

36 minutes ago, Thorny said:

McDavid signed that deal as a symptom of the fact Bowman specifically *didn’t* do a good job. What do you think the deal and term looks like if the Oilers had won a cup? So Bowman failing to craft a team worthy of the talents of McDavid results in him signing an even better deal? Doesn’t make any sense. It’s purely a commentary on McDavid choosing to give the team one more small chance. Any GM in Edmonton would have gotten the same deal, as it’s a McDavid call

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*obviously* the oilers would be after a long term deal if they could get it. The, what, 6-8 million they are saving for 2 years is a *small pittance* relative to the potential lost income from losing said best player in the world that the franchise would see in ticket sales and marketing should they let him get away. “They’ll save some salary cap for 2 years” is myopic.

Not to mention, McDavid is 28 not 38 lol. They’d need to be exploring dealing him at 30 should this window not pan out. “Best years” is rich when I’d imagine McDavid’s trajectory would compare much more likely to Sid Crosby’s and his *best* years were arguably in his 30s

I guess I just see it the other way.  Looks like a smart deal to me, and the Oilers aren't saddled with a 20M/yr contract until McDavid is 36 or 37.

[kas23]

Kasparov got $17M and McJeaus gets $12.5M?

[Thorny]

8 minutes ago, Eleven said:

I guess I just see it the other way.  Looks like a smart deal to me, and the Oilers aren't saddled with a 20M/yr contract until McDavid is 36 or 37.

I see the current AAV as a big silver lining - to your point. But it’s firmly in “silver lining” category. I wouldn’t used “saddled”, I’d used “graced”. McDavid was a lottery ball godsend to the only market ranked below winnipeg and buffalo re: player destination 

The marketability and jersey sales etc etc alone make him an egregiously valuable asset, he’s the face of the league. Nm fact realistically he’s gojng to be exceptional till probably 40. This isn’t Alex Tuch, it’s the most talented player to ever play the game 

I can’t call it saddled when we all know the oilers would take that deal to the bank, running, if they could 

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If the Sabres could have McDavid at either deal, which do you personally take?

I take McDavid for a decade and cry myself to sleep in happiness, with one solitary tear reserved for Terry’s fat wallet 

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[French Collection]

Just now, kas23 said:

Kasparov got $17M and McJeaus gets $12.5M?

McDavid is trying to give the GM some money to get more talent while Kaprizov doesn’t care about winning, just his bank account.

[Eleven]

11 minutes ago, Thorny said:

If the Sabres could have McDavid at either deal, which do you personally take?

Are you asking 12.5 x3 (including the current year) or 12.5x1 + 20x8?

I would take the former *if I were the Oilers.*

The Sabres?  Different story.  The Sabres need to build credibility.  The Oilers have been to the Final in the last two seasons, and the semi-finals in three of the last four.  The Sabres are a laughingstock right now (mostly because management took a bad decision advanced by posters here about 12-13 years ago) which needs to build cred to attract better players.

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[That Aud Smell]

40 minutes ago, French Collection said:

Crosby has been making $8.7M for the last 10 years.

Right. But when he signed that deal, what was its share of the team's total cap?

34 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

It's estimated that Brady gave up at least $60 million with some sources estimating it at over $100 million versus what he could have demanded with NE.

Sheesh.

This actually makes me think that there must've been one of those Kahwi Leonard side agreement / no show deals for Brady.

[Thorny]

8 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Are you asking 12.5 x3 (including the current year) or 12.5x1 + 20x8?

I would take the former *if I were the Oilers.*

The Sabres?  Different story.  The Sabres need to build credibility.  The Oilers have been to the Final in the last two seasons, and the semi-finals in three of the last four.  The Sabres are a laughingstock right now (mostly because management took a decision advanced by posters here about 12-13 years ago) which needs to build cred to attract better players.

I’d imagine Edmonton retreats right back into the igloo if McDavid escapes them - the difference between buffalo and Edmonton is merely the bounce of those balls 

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management didn’t get the idea to tank from the fans come on now. We merely concocted it into a potentially viable strategy, in theory, after the fact for them because putting more thought into their strategies than they do is what we do around here. If the team employed the level of passionate thinking to their strategy dudacek does after the fact, in the first place, we’d instead be benefiting from his explanations for why it DID work 

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[Thorny]

5 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Right. But when he signed that deal, what was its share of the team's total cap?

Sheesh.

This actually makes me think that there must've been one of those Kahwi Leonard side agreement / no show deals for Brady.

I mean sid signed at 8.7 one year ago 

He’s not in his prime but certainly well below market value 

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[Eleven]

4 minutes ago, Thorny said:

management didn’t get the idea to tank from the fans come on now.

That is not the action I meant, and I do not think management takes instructions from fans.  But an unfavorable, stupid, and ultimately unproductive action was advocated here by a good majority of posters:  the firing of Lindy Ruff, when really, the roster was the problem.  The decision did not pay off, obviously, and this isn't the thread in which to debate it.

[Thorny]

Just now, Eleven said:

That is not the action I meant, and I do not think management takes instructions from fans.  But an unfavorable, stupid, and ultimately unproductive action was advocated here by a good majority of posters:  the firing of Lindy Ruff, when really, the roster was the problem.  The decision did not pay off, obviously, and this isn't the thread in which to debate it.

No reason for debate: the strategy was ass 

I supported it at the time as a misguided child. Learned a lot from it tbh 

[Eleven]

Also, I note that the posters here that are objecting to this deal are from provinces near to Alberta.  Well, Manitoba is somewhat near.  I guess Saskatchewan is somewhat in the way, but really, when is the last time anyone thought about Saskatchewan?

[mjd1001]

11 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I’d imagine Edmonton retreats right back into the igloo if McDavid escapes them - the difference between buffalo and Edmonton is merely the bounce of those balls 

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management didn’t get the idea to tank from the fans come on now. We merely concocted it into a potentially viable strategy, in theory, after the fact for them because putting more thought into their strategies than they do is what we do around here. If the team employed the level of passionate thinking to their strategy dudacek does after the fact, in the first place, we’d instead be benefiting from his explanations for why it DID work 

Unless you consider Terry Pegula as a 'fan'.  In his first few years of ownership, to me he was certainly acting more like a typical 'fan' than a rational owner/member of management.

[Thorny]

10 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Also, I note that the posters here that are objecting to this deal are from provinces near to Alberta.  Well, Manitoba is somewhat near.  I guess Saskatchewan is somewhat in the way, but really, when is the last time anyone thought about Saskatchewan?

“Nonetheless, ease and peace had left this people still curiously tough. They were, if it came to it, difficult to daunt or to kill; and they were, perhaps, so unwearyingly fond of good things not least because they could, when put to it, do without them.” - J.R.R. Tolkien, Concerning Hobbits 

[Jorcus]

12 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Also, I note that the posters here that are objecting to this deal are from provinces near to Alberta.  Well, Manitoba is somewhat near.  I guess Saskatchewan is somewhat in the way, but really, when is the last time anyone thought about Saskatchewan?

The last time I watched Corner Gas. 

[Thorny]

10 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Unless you consider Terry Pegula as a 'fan'.  In his first few years of ownership, to me he was certainly acting more like a typical 'fan' than a rational owner/member of management.

I mostly just consider him an idiot 

Just now, Jorcus said:

The last time I watched Corner Gas. 

Terry certainly doesn’t have “a lot goin’ on” up there 

[shrader]

I’d love to know how much the best player on the face of the earth makes in endorsements. If there’s anyone who can afford to leave money in the table, it’s that guy. The only real shocker there is that he just signed on to be the second highest paid player on that team. 

[That Aud Smell]

41 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I mean sid signed at 8.7 one year ago 

He’s not in his prime but certainly well below market value 

yeah - it’s way beyond his prime would be my point.

[mjd1001]

19 minutes ago, shrader said:

I’d love to know how much the best player on the face of the earth makes in endorsements. If there’s anyone who can afford to leave money in the table, it’s that guy. The only real shocker there is that he just signed on to be the second highest paid player on that team. 

I wonder if he makes more or less than Matthews, with Matthews probably getting a lot more 'local money' being in Toronto vs Edmonton...with Toronto's metro population and wealth/GDP being...maybe 4 or 5 times what Edmonton is?