Tuch extension coming soon?

[Thorny]

I knew you’d be picking up what I threw down 

[ponokasabre]

If his extension starts with an 8 per season I will be so damn happy. I still like the idea from Rivet and Petey to front load the contract to bring AAV down.

 

And I still think we should defer money on this. Pegula can afford it and this is the last off season you can sign those contracts, deffer money on it so it come in at an AAV of 7 million per season and thats a homerun slam dunk contract

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

It's hard to imagine but maybe he likes it better and thinks the team is improving?

Doan? 

Yes!!  He likes it here.  Give him 10 mil per year. 
 

Food for thought…if you are Tuch where do you see this franchise that hasn’t made the playoffs in 14 years, 4-5 years from now?  Cup contender?

[Mango]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Adams is being filtered out? The guy who traded for Tuch and will ultimately sign him? Sure, yea, right. 

I think the thought is that if Tuch is extending, there has to be some hope and positivity to turn this thing around. Outisde of Terry stepping away or selling the team, Adams being pushed out is the next best thing by a country mile. 

[Trettioåtta]

1 hour ago, ponokasabre said:

If his extension starts with an 8 per season I will be so damn happy. I still like the idea from Rivet and Petey to front load the contract to bring AAV down.

 

And I still think we should defer money on this. Pegula can afford it and this is the last off season you can sign those contracts, deffer money on it so it come in at an AAV of 7 million per season and thats a homerun slam dunk contract

I would fully expect 9 plus per year. I wouldn't even be surprised by 10

It's Heff Skinner part 2

[tom webster]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Yes!!  He likes it here.  Give him 10 mil per year. 
 

Food for thought…if you are Tuch where do you see this franchise that hasn’t made the playoffs in 14 years, 4-5 years from now?  Cup contender?

The veteran players on this team are actually optimistic for the future. Maybe they are naive, maybe buying into the internal talk but it’s palpable when you talk to them. 
The results and missteps have rendered a large portion of the fan base solidly pessimistic but athletes are by nature optimistic and it would be wrong to assume that they view their circumstances in the same way as the disenchanted fan base.

There is also the fact that even if Tuch signs a team friendly, market rate contract he will still make millions more then if he signs a max contract under the new CBA.

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

It's hard to imagine but maybe he likes it better and thinks the team is improving?

Doan? 

I di like the acquisitions of Doan and Kesserling for JJP. However, that doesn't mean more couldn't been done to improve the roster. The meaningful issue isn't that the Sabres are improved as it is have they improved enough to be a playoff team. You are not competing against yourself; you are competing against other franchises that are also improving. Ambling along in a road race may be good enough when you are competing against arthritic seniors. But it's not good enough when competing against serious competitors. 

The Sabres have been out of the playoffs for 15 straight years. Don't be afraid to raise your level of expectations for this systemically mediocre franchise. Dumbing down your standards may be sufficient for some people but it is not for me. 

[Weave]

1 hour ago, tom webster said:

The veteran players on this team are actually optimistic for the future. Maybe they are naive, maybe buying into the internal talk but it’s palpable when you talk to them. 
The results and missteps have rendered a large portion of the fan base solidly pessimistic but athletes are by nature optimistic and it would be wrong to assume that they view their circumstances in the same way as the disenchanted fan base.

There is also the fact that even if Tuch signs a team friendly, market rate contract he will still make millions more then if he signs a max contract under the new CBA.

I certainly didn’t get that read off Thompsons’ interview earlier this offseason.  I forget the source now, but he seemed concerned for this teams ability to turn it around.  He seemed quite frustrated about it, IMO.

[shrader]

1 hour ago, Trettioåtta said:

I would fully expect 9 plus per year. I wouldn't even be surprised by 10

It's Heff Skinner part 2

Did Skinner use that contract to buy Playboy?

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Yes!!  He likes it here.  Give him 10 mil per year. 
 

Food for thought…if you are Tuch where do you see this franchise that hasn’t made the playoffs in 14 years, 4-5 years from now?  Cup contender?

14 years doesn't matter to Tuch. The past 4 do. What happened before he arrived isn't important. As for money, he can get paid almost anywhere. He's going to sign where he is happiest. And I have to believe he has a better sense than any of us of where the Sabres are heading. If after this offseason he's willing to sign a deal, that tells you he thinks we are trending the right way.

[Thorny]

I agree, if Tuch signs it’s a clear endorsement of Adams and a mandate for a further 5 years of the plan. It proves the fans wrong, and the team right 

58 minutes ago, Weave said:

I certainly didn’t get that read off Thompsons’ interview earlier this offseason.  I forget the source now, but he seemed concerned for this teams ability to turn it around.  He seemed quite frustrated about it, IMO.

Meh. Remember Dahlin requesting a meeting with management specifically to inform them how pleased he was with the direction? I think you are off base 

Edited 51 minutes ago by Thorny

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

I di like the acquisitions of Doan and Kesserling for JJP. However, that doesn't mean more couldn't been done to improve the roster. The meaningful issue isn't that the Sabres are improved as it is have they improved enough to be a playoff team. You are not competing against yourself; you are competing against other franchises that are also improving. Ambling along in a road race may be good enough when you are competing against arthritic seniors. But it's not good enough when competing against serious competitors. 

The Sabres have been out of the playoffs for 15 straight years. Don't be afraid to raise your level of expectations for this systemically mediocre franchise. Dumbing down your standards may be sufficient for some people but it is not for me. 

Tuch wasn't a "Tuch type" player before he got here. Zucker was considered some 3rd line JAG when the Sabres signed him. McLeod? Who liked that trade when it happened? To write off Doan before he even steps on the ice is silly. As for your comment about standards and expectations, that assumes the Sabres choose to aim low. It's just as possible they aim for the stars and get rejected. In fact that's probably closer to the truth than the team not wanting to make impact moves.

I believe the Sabres made every move they could but not every move they wanted. They improved the grit factor while losing some scoring.

[Weave]

7 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I agree, if Tuch signs it’s a clear endorsement of Adams and a mandate for a further 5 years of the plan. It proves the fans wrong, and the team right 

Meh. Remember Dahlin requesting a meeting with management specifically to inform them how pleased he was with the direction? I think you are off base 

I really needed a good laugh today.

[Thorny]

7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Tuch wasn't a "Tuch type" player before he got here. Zucker was considered some 3rd line JAG when the Sabres signed him. McLeod? Who liked that trade when it happened? To write off Doan before he even steps on the ice is silly. As for your comment about standards and expectations, that assumes the Sabres choose to aim low. It's just as possible they aim for the stars and get rejected. In fact that's probably closer to the truth than the team not wanting to make impact moves.

I believe the Sabres made every move they could but not every move they wanted. They improved the grit factor while losing some scoring.

Everybody liked the McLeod trade when it happened. But otherwise I agree. Your last sentence sums it up perfectly: what else could the sabres have even done? They either succeed, or tried their best 

6 minutes ago, Weave said:

I really needed a good laugh today.

It’s all we have 

[LabattBlue]

2 hours ago, tom webster said:

The veteran players on this team are actually optimistic for the future. Maybe they are naive, maybe buying into the internal talk but it’s palpable when you talk to them. 
The results and missteps have rendered a large portion of the fan base solidly pessimistic but athletes are by nature optimistic and it would be wrong to assume that they view their circumstances in the same way as the disenchanted fan base.

There is also the fact that even if Tuch signs a team friendly, market rate contract he will still make millions more then if he signs a max contract under the new CBA.

If the vets(whomever they may be) are optimistic, I'd like some of what they are drinking.  Also, I'd like to know what they mean by optimistic?  Making the playoffs is a start(which is very iffy for this season), but if I'm a player, optimistic equals being a cup contender sooner rather than later.  Is Tuch going to still be a Sabre at that point?

[JohnC]

9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Tuch wasn't a "Tuch type" player before he got here. Zucker was considered some 3rd line JAG when the Sabres signed him. McLeod? Who liked that trade when it happened? To write off Doan before he even steps on the ice is silly. As for your comment about standards and expectations, that assumes the Sabres choose to aim low. It's just as possible they aim for the stars and get rejected. In fact that's probably closer to the truth than the team not wanting to make impact moves.

I believe the Sabres made every move they could but not every move they wanted. They improved the grit factor while losing some scoring.

Tuch was a young player who projected to be the player that he has become. If that wasn't the case then the Eichel deal made absolutely no sense for us. As it stands, it's still a net loss from a talent standpoint, but in this is the case you have to accept your weak position and try to retrieve as much as possible. I have argued before that the Sabres should have kept Eichel, happy or not. He was under contract. This franchise did what it often does when making personnel decisions, it miscalculated and set the team further back, as demonstrated by the Eichel deal. 

I liked the additions of McCleod, Zucker and Tuch. But those solid additions have not elevated this team to a playoff spot because the roster still needs additions. That's my basic point. As I said before, if you improve your roster while other teams improve theirs more, then you are falling back. 

[Thorny]

 

9 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

If the vets(whomever they may be) are optimistic, I'd like some of what they are drinking.  Also, I'd like to know what they mean by optimistic?  Making the playoffs is a start(which is very iffy for this season), but if I'm a player, optimistic equals being a cup contender sooner rather than later.  Is Tuch going to still be a Sabre at that point?

Do you think every player than signs a long term deal with a team does so because they believe they’ll be a long term contender? And if so, what does it say that the success rate of those players being right is abysmal? 

logically the argument falls flat on it’s face. It’s either not true, or irrelevant: as then the players would most often be demonstrably wrong 

Edited 23 minutes ago by Thorny

[Mango]

30 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

14 years doesn't matter to Tuch. The past 4 do. What happened before he arrived isn't important. As for money, he can get paid almost anywhere. He's going to sign where he is happiest. And I have to believe he has a better sense than any of us of where the Sabres are heading. If after this offseason he's willing to sign a deal, that tells you he thinks we are trending the right way.

If you told me that in a job interview with any seriousness I would decline the offer letter (assuming I could get an offer letter of similar value).

There is no real world applicability to this for anybody's resume is in demand.

It is like Westinghouse telling you to ignore the fact that they have been trash for eternity, knowing full well you could just go make the same money at LG, Samsung, Sony, etc. 

And frankly it is a total bottom tier move for anybody to try and ernestly sell an employee otherwise. 

[LabattBlue]

8 minutes ago, Thorny said:

 

Do you think every player than signs a long term deal with a team does so because they believe they’ll be a long term contender? And if so, what does it say that the success rate of those players being right is abysmal? 

logically the argument falls flat on it’s face. It’s either not true, or irrelevant: as then the players would most often be demonstrably wrong 

I'm not talking about every player.  I am talking about a soon to be 30 year old on a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in forever, has a clueless GM and a buffoon of an owner.  If you were Tuch knowing the above, what would you do?

[tom webster]

1 minute ago, LabattBlue said:

I'm not talking about every player.  I am talking about a soon to be 30 year old on a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in forever, has a clueless GM and a buffoon of an owner.  If you were Tuch knowing the above, what would you do?

Maybe he doesn’t agree with you.

[Thorny]

10 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I'm not talking about every player.  I am talking about a soon to be 30 year old on a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in forever, has a clueless GM and a buffoon of an owner.  If you were Tuch knowing the above, what would you do?

Players have a myriad of potential motivations - in addition humans are resistant to change. He also loves buffalo so would obviously be biased. He’ll sign and I don’t think we need to read much more into it than the price was right and he bleeds blue 

Maybe he’s confident in the direction after trending down for the last 2 seasons..maybe he’s not. It doesn’t mean anything one way or the other to a certainty 

he was spouting off in the post game last year that “a year ago we’d have folded!” when the results were the exact same or worse. The idea he has a better grasp on the outlook of the team or is more likely to be right or more likely to remove his own bias OR that he’d even be an open book about his true thoughts doesn’t jive to me 

He’s not a canary in the coal mine - look at NMCs and free agency for that. Tuch is a Sabre through and through 

Edited 6 minutes ago by Thorny

[LabattBlue]

4 minutes ago, tom webster said:

Maybe he doesn’t agree with you.

What part of my statement would he disagree with? 🙂

[PromoTheRobot]

18 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Tuch was a young player who projected to be the player that he has become. If that wasn't the case then the Eichel deal made absolutely no sense for us. As it stands, it's still a net loss from a talent standpoint, but in this is the case you have to accept your weak position and try to retrieve as much as possible. I have argued before that the Sabres should have kept Eichel, happy or not. He was under contract. This franchise did what it often does when making personnel decisions, it miscalculated and set the team further back, as demonstrated by the Eichel deal. 

I liked the additions of McCleod, Zucker and Tuch. But those solid additions have not elevated this team to a playoff spot because the roster still needs additions. That's my basic point. As I said before, if you improve your roster while other teams improve theirs more, then you are falling back. 

What they needed was to improve the defensive play so we don't give away scoring chances like (quoting Lindy) "Halloween candy." I think they took several steps toward that this offseason.

[PromoTheRobot]

14 minutes ago, Mango said:

If you told me that in a job interview with any seriousness I would decline the offer letter (assuming I could get an offer letter of similar value).

There is no real world applicability to this for anybody's resume is in demand.

It is like Westinghouse telling you to ignore the fact that they have been trash for eternity, knowing full well you could just go make the same money at LG, Samsung, Sony, etc. 

And frankly it is a total bottom tier move for anybody to try and ernestly sell an employee otherwise. 

I think what irks you more is Tuch extending now flies in the face of the narrative that's been built all offseason that Tuch was as good as gone. Now we hear he may be signing before the season begins. Clutch your pearls

Edited 5 minutes ago by PromoTheRobot

[Palm Trees And Taxes]

8.5, 9, 9.5 or 10: We wont spend to the cap and the GM will whine about taxes and palm trees anyway. so the number for me is what it is