Sabres sign Connor Timmins to a 2 year 2.2 Million Dollar AAV contract

[Bangarang]

This is a bottom 5 team next year and the only joy I'll get from it will be if Terry finally cleans house.

[tom webster]

7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

The gm was afraid of arbitration. We know because of his words and actions. That's hilarious because it's a formality in 19 out of 20 cases.

You keep saying this and you are right as long as all your assumptions are right. 
 

However, if they don’t share your opinion of the value of JBD, Bryson and Timmins, then none of it is really correlated. You may be right, they may be wrong, but I see no correlation between walking away from JBD because they didn’t want to pay what they thought he might get in arbitration while being willing to pay Timmins close to what he was going to command in arbitration.

And for the record, I would have kept JBD over Bryson but I really can’t get worked up about out 7th, 8th or 9th defenseman

[Mr. MVP]

1 hour ago, Taro T said:

 

That's a bit more than this kid expected, but not completely out of line.  (Was expecting more like $1.5MM.)

 

Leaves them just a bit over $5MM with a full 23 player roster.

Now go get Roslovic or make another move.

No.  That 5 million left is right about where Terry wants to be.  
Unfortunately I think we stay put. 

[DarthEbriate]

7 minutes ago, Mr. MVP said:

No.  That 5 million left is right about where Terry wants to be.  
Unfortunately I think we stay put. 

Adams: Just like the RFAs this season, gotta save that money for next year and Skinner’s increased one-year cap hit.

Jarmo: That’s not how the Cap works. 

[PromoTheRobot]

47 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

AFP analytics on cap wages had Timmins at 2x2.67M projected. Not sure why it was that much. Pretty far off of what he got. 

Every cap site had Timmins getting between $2.2-2.7MM but SabresSpace says he's only worth $1.5MM. Who are you going to listen to?

34 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

The gm was afraid of arbitration. We know because of his words and actions. That's hilarious because it's a formality in 19 out of 20 cases.

That's why he took Byram to arbitration.

[dudacek]

13 minutes ago, tom webster said:

You keep saying this and you are right as long as all your assumptions are right. 
 

However, if they don’t share your opinion of the value of JBD, Bryson and Timmins, then none of it is really correlated. You may be right, they may be wrong, but I see no correlation between walking away from JBD because they didn’t want to pay what they thought he might get in arbitration while being willing to pay Timmins close to what he was going to command in arbitration.

And for the record, I would have kept JBD over Bryson but I really can’t get worked up about out 7th, 8th or 9th defenseman

 

You're bang on with this.

Their actions show they think Timmins is helluvalot better than I do.

This is a injury-plagued player who has played 42, 37, 6, 33, 25 and 68 games respectively in each of his 6 pro seasons. He has a history of solid Corsi numbers but doesn't seem to add much in terms of production or physical play.

They've chosen to invest 2 years, $4.4M and a 2nd-round draft pick in him. And giving away Clifton was not necessary under the cap in order to make that happen.

Their valuation makes no sense to me. 

[LGR4GM]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Every cap site had Timmins getting between $2.2-2.7MM but SabresSpace says he's only worth $1.5MM. Who are you going to listen to?

That's why he took Byram to arbitration.

He literally did not. No one went to arbitration. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

He literally did not. No one went to arbitration. 

Okay.

https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/sports/sabres/report-sabres-taking-bowen-byram-to-arbitration

The fact they never made it to an arbitrator doesn't negate the fact the Sabres asked for it. Deals signed before are the player's choice.

Edited 2 hours ago by PromoTheRobot

[LGR4GM]

29 minutes ago, tom webster said:

You keep saying this and you are right as long as all your assumptions are right. 
 

However, if they don’t share your opinion of the value of JBD, Bryson and Timmins, then none of it is really correlated. You may be right, they may be wrong, but I see no correlation between walking away from JBD because they didn’t want to pay what they thought he might get in arbitration while being willing to pay Timmins close to what he was going to command in arbitration.

And for the record, I would have kept JBD over Bryson but I really can’t get worked up about out 7th, 8th or 9th defenseman

Go look up what adams said about jbd

"I think from our perspective, where his projected salary was going to come out and where we had him slotted in the 8th spot.. just felt like that didn’t make sense with also having Ryan Johnson (and others).. that’s why we made the decision we made.” Kevyn Adams

He was literally afraid of being on the hook for an arbitration award higher than he felt while openly admitting he views Bryson higher. Jfc kids, it's bad process and I'm being debated about how bad it is. Wtf are we doing here. 

[dudacek]

My pet theory is that the brain trust brainstormed exactly what undervalued player they could find that could be the kind of partner Owen Power needed and somehow arrived at Timmins as the answer.

They then decided to pay whatever price was necessary in order to obtain him.

It's the same theory I have for the thought process (sub in 4th-line forechecker) that led to the Malenstyn trade.

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Okay.

https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/sports/sabres/report-sabres-taking-bowen-byram-to-arbitration

 

Oh cool, so what did the Arbitration award Byram? When was his arbitration hearing held? Would love to read up on it. 

You're so full of ***** it hurts. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Go look up what adams said about jbd

"I think from our perspective, where his projected salary was going to come out and where we had him slotted in the 8th spot.. just felt like that didn’t make sense with also having Ryan Johnson (and others).. that’s why we made the decision we made.” Kevyn Adams

He was literally afraid of being on the hook for an arbitration award higher than he felt while openly admitting he views Bryson higher. Jfc kids, it's bad process and I'm being debated about how bad it is. Wtf are we doing here. 

Funny he never says anything about Bryson. You ASSUME he is. Bryson might not even be on the team this year.

[LGR4GM]

Bowen Byram did not go to arbitration. Not my fault you don't understand what words mean Promo.

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

Oh cool, so what did the Arbitration award Byram? When was his arbitration hearing held? Would love to read up on it. 

You're so full of ***** it hurts. 

Dude, all you do is toss around assumptions.

[LGR4GM]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

Funny he never says anything about Bryson. You ASSUME he is. Bryson might not even be on the team this year.

Funny you think electing arbitration is taking a player to arbitration even though they never went and the player signed before it happened. Reading comprehension, get some. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Bowen Byram did not go to arbitration. Not my fault you don't understand what words mean Promo.

Because...follow me here...Byram CHOSE to sign a deal BEFORE arbitration. Timmins too. It may come as a shock to you, but it's the player's decision. Not the Sabres.

Edited 2 hours ago by PromoTheRobot

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Dude, all you do is toss around assumptions.

When was byrams arbitration hearing? Please tell me. 

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

Because...follow me here...Byram CHOSE to sign a deal BEFORE arbitration. 

So he literally wasn't taken to arbitration. Thank you. 

13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Every cap site had Timmins getting between $2.2-2.7MM but SabresSpace says he's only worth $1.5MM. Who are you going to listen to?

That's why he took Byram to arbitration.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

 

So he literally wasn't taken to arbitration. Thank you. 

By Byram's choice. You said Adams is afraid of arbitration. It wasn't Adams decision to avoid arbitration. It was Byram's and Timmins'.

[LGR4GM]

You know what children. You're right, Adams had great processes in place. He's so smart. My bad.

See, that's what moving the goalposts looks like. All this bs over a side comment about how funny it all was. 

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

By Byram's choice. You said Adams is afraid of arbitration. It wasn't Adams decision to avoid arbitration. It was Byram's and Timmins'.

Oh cool, didn't know players could just negotiate contracts with themselves. Is that part of the new cba?

[PromoTheRobot]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

You know what children. You're right, Adams had great processes in place. He's so smart. My bad.

See, that's what moving the goalposts looks like. All this bs over a side comment about how funny it all was. 

Oh cool, didn't know players could just negotiate contracts with themselves. Is that part of the new cba?

You literally said "the GM is afraid of arbitration." So why did the Sabres choose arbitration with Byram?

[LGR4GM]

This place is such a shitshow these days. Truly the drought has ruined it because there's nothing to talk about. We're gonna have ***** gt with ***** coaching and finish around 83-85pts. Adams will make excuses, Ruff will retire, Appert will be coach (see now I'm making assumptions), and we'll lose again next year. Rinse and repeat. 

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

You literally said "the GM is afraid of arbitration." So why did the Sabres choose arbitration with Byram?

Because the only thing the gm was more afraid of than arbitration was an offer sheet.

This isn't hard. 

[LGR4GM]

Anyways. Have fun. 

[Sidc3000]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Now this is goalposts moving. You think the issue is Timmins? No, it's that they let a guy go because "what if he files for arbitration!?" Which was the gms rationale only to sign a guy who immediately filed for arbitration. It's hilarious and bad decision making because as you point out, they all sign anyways. 

Maybe they just didn’t want JBD and had eyes on Timmins. They are very similar although Timmins is much better offensively and you know how much the Sabres love their offensive defensemen. He probably did want to be there 🙄

22 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

This place is such a shitshow these days. Truly the drought has ruined it because there's nothing to talk about. We're gonna have ***** gt with ***** coaching and finish around 83-85pts. Adams will make excuses, Ruff will retire, Appert will be coach (see now I'm making assumptions), and we'll lose again next year. Rinse and repeat. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Sidc3000

[Taro T]

5 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said:

Maybe they just didn’t want JBD and had eyes on Timmins. They are very similar although Timmins is much better offensively snd you know how much the Sabres love their offensive defensemen 

Unless they're going to be pairing him with Samuelsson, which might be where they're going to use him, they don't NEED another offensive D-man.  They need one that's defensively responsible.  

Don't mind Timmons and hope it works.  But Bernard-Docker DID work with Power.  Kesselring &/or Timmons MIGHT work with Power.  They're going to have a small margin for error this season, this pair of moves seems to reduce that margin.  

[shrader]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Now this is goalposts moving. You think the issue is Timmins? No, it's that they let a guy go because "what if he files for arbitration!?" Which was the gms rationale only to sign a guy who immediately filed for arbitration. It's hilarious and bad decision making because as you point out, they all sign anyways. 

I am talking strictly about Timmins in a thread that is about Timmins. Bringing some player and a past action into the equation, that is moving the goalposts. Once Timmins was acquired, nothing wrong was done in the signing of Timmins.