Weave Posted February 3, 2020 Report Share Posted February 3, 2020 https://twitter.com/annalecta/status/1223427007263989760?s=21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 I like that we progressed from there was no quid pro quo to you can't prove there was to there was but it doesn't matter to there was and it matters but can't overturn an election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 Cult leader said vote no so I vote no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 Well, the process played out as we figured it would. Hopefully now Republicans and Democrats will focus on doing the jobs they were elected to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 There are now three US presidents who have been impeached. Trump is one. From this point forward I will refer to him as "Our impeached president Trump." Because he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 8 hours ago, Hank said: Well, the process played out as we figured it would. Hopefully now Republicans and Democrats will focus on doing the jobs they were elected to do. You mean Mitch McConnell? He has several hundred pieces of house passed legislation on his desk that he has done nothing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 12 hours ago, Hank said: Well, the process played out as we figured it would. Hopefully now Republicans and Democrats will focus on doing the jobs they were elected to do. It sure would be nice. I'm not betting on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 13 hours ago, Hank said: Well, the process played out as we figured it would. Hopefully now Republicans and Democrats will focus on doing the jobs they were elected to do. Like defend the Constitution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 Long article. Took a long way to get to the ultimate point at the end. Well stated though IMO. https://gfile.thedispatch.com/p/the-cult-of-unity-is-a-poison Quote I’ve been saying for 20 years that the cult of unity is a poison and that the hero in the American political tradition is not the mob, but the man who stands up to it. This week there was one hero and it wasn’t Donald Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 Did I read correctly today that Trump’s federal budget proposal has more money allocated to military spending that the rest of the budget combined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, Weave said: Did I read correctly today that Trump’s federal budget proposal has more money allocated to military spending that the rest of the budget combined? I did not see that, but good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Hank said: I did not see that, but good for him. We'll definitely agree to disagree there. The military should not be sucking up >50% of an entire countries revenues in a non-major war period of time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5th line wingnutt Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Weave said: Did I read correctly today that Trump’s federal budget proposal has more money allocated to military spending that the rest of the budget combined? Cannot be right. Got a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 23 minutes ago, 5th line wingnutt said: Cannot be right. Got a link? It was on my Apple news feed. I have no idea how to link them here. I'll see if I can find it from my laptop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 I can't find it, not even on my news feed now. Or maybe I read it wrong. And can't find an article anywhere that compares proposed defense spending to overall budget size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Idk the exact math but this seemed like a decent write up of the underlying numbers https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-budget-foreign-aid-defense-border-wall-veterans-homeland-security Quote The Fiscal Year 2021 budget further aims to increase military spending 0.3 percent to $740.5 billion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5th line wingnutt Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Budget/spending primer: (numbers from fiscal 2019) There are three main areas of spending/budgeting: Servicing the national debt, 363B. Mandatory spending, 2.73T. Includes social security, medicare, medicaid, and welfare. IOW wealth redistribution programs. Discretionary spending, 1.02T. Somewhat over half of this goes to military and veterans. The rest is "everything else" not included above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 If the proposed budget for the military is $740B then that is way over half of all discretionary spending. Maybe that is what I read? I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5th line wingnutt Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 I went to a bunch of websites this morning looking for actual info. What I found was 97% spin and 3% numbers that were cherry picked to illustrate the websites point of view. Nowhere did I find the basic numbers. It is no wonder so many dislike and distrust the media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 5 hours ago, 5th line wingnutt said: I went to a bunch of websites this morning looking for actual info. What I found was 97% spin and 3% numbers that were cherry picked to illustrate the websites point of view. Nowhere did I find the basic numbers. It is no wonder so many dislike and distrust the media. I have no doubt that we likely have very different opinions on what constitutes spin. LOL Sometimes we just don't want to believe the results. At the end of the day it's the media that keeps us different from China or Russia. If I had enough motivation to do it, the previous years budget is available on line for public viewing. And the percentage increases that were proposed are well documented too. It wouldn't be that difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABRES 0311 Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 On 2/11/2020 at 3:34 PM, Weave said: I have no doubt that we likely have very different opinions on what constitutes spin. LOL Sometimes we just don't want to believe the results. At the end of the day it's the media that keeps us different from China or Russia. If I had enough motivation to do it, the previous years budget is available on line for public viewing. And the percentage increases that were proposed are well documented too. It wouldn't be that difficult. Just addressing the bold. China and Russia use their media to influence their populations in accordance with a state agenda. Major U.S. outlets influence in accordance with political parties. Different in one way. Same in another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 8 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: Just addressing the bold. China and Russia use their media to influence their populations in accordance with a state agenda. Major U.S. outlets influence in accordance with political parties. Different in one way. Same in another. I disagree. Only one major media outlet appears to be rather tied to a political party. The others are tied to broadcasting what is profitable. Sure, political leanings can be profitable, but only Fox is in lockstep with a party. Right now it is virtually state run media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABRES 0311 Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 51 minutes ago, Weave said: I disagree. Only one major media outlet appears to be rather tied to a political party. The others are tied to broadcasting what is profitable. Sure, political leanings can be profitable, but only Fox is in lockstep with a party. Right now it is virtually state run media. I think with Fox it’s Trump can do no wrong. Everyone else it’s Trump can do no right. Once in a while Van Jones says something positive about Trump on CNN and Nepolitano says something negative on Fox but for the most part the major outlets are echo chambers for the parties. I watch more CNN than Fox oddly enough. Not sure why. I skip through MSNBC because it’s weird how Maddow talks out of the side of her face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 5 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: I think with Fox it’s Trump can do no wrong. Everyone else it’s Trump can do no right. Once in a while Van Jones says something positive about Trump on CNN and Nepolitano says something negative on Fox but for the most part the major outlets are echo chambers for the parties. I watch more CNN than Fox oddly enough. Not sure why. I skip through MSNBC because it’s weird how Maddow talks out of the side of her face. I’m not surprised you’d think that but CNN was more than willing to criticize Obama and Clinton when it was warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABRES 0311 Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 30 minutes ago, Weave said: I’m not surprised you’d think that but CNN was more than willing to criticize Obama and Clinton when it was warranted. I’m surprised anyone thinks they get the full story from any major outlet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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