LastPommerFan Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Silfverberg was light years ahead in 2012-13 of where Grigorenko is now. It was pretty clear Silfverberg was going to be an NHL player, Grigorenko has a long way to go to get there. I didn't get a chance to see Silfverberg play, so I'm going completely on history and production. Silfverberg was 2 years older, so it makes sense that he was a little more developed. I'm not certain the value, especially to Roy, is "in an different universe". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) I agree that someone is going to overpay for ROR, but the contract has to be factored in. It's going to depress his market value. No one is going to give up much for him without having an extension in place or at least feeling very confident about being able to sign him. ROR is going to make it clear which teams he's interested in signing with and which he isn't. That is going to reduce the number of bidders. I think ultimately ROR, if he is traded this summer, will go to a team willing to give up a young top-pairing defenseman. Colorado needs defenseman and they don't want to spend $7MM per year to get one. For the Sabres to make that trade, it has to be Risto or maybe Bogo. NFW are the sabres trading Risto or Bogo. Zadorov or Pysyk are possibliities. Bogo has a big contract so that is undesirable for the Avs. Edited May 19, 2015 by freester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 when Ryan was traded for Silfverberg, he was coming off an AHL season that was VERY similar to Grigorenko's last season. And Mikhail is 2 years younger that Sifverberg was at the time. Silverberg played the entire 48 game NHL season in 2012-13 where he scored 10g & 19pts. I'd do handstands if Grigorenko put up those numbers for the Sabres next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Is the Salary Cap this year 69million? and is it going up to 71 million next year? Edited May 19, 2015 by LGR4GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Is the Salary Cap this year 69million? and is it going up to 71 million next year? Considering I didn't want to start the thread yea... that's my goal just to keep it going. Guess I should have included one of these... :nana: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm not sure that's the case. I've heard a bunch of talk about how much Silfverberg is exceeding expectations. In fact, people are thinking Anaheim has really won that trade big time. He is 5th in playoff scoring with 13 points and a +6 so I can see the surprise. Did you mean to say the Senators won the trade. The third sentence goes against the first two. When you get traded for a Bobby Ryan I am going to guess there are great expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Silverberg played the entire 48 game NHL season in 2012-13 where he scored 10g & 19pts. I'd do handstands if Grigorenko put up those numbers for the Sabres next season. Truth. I still think he was closer to 25 than 28, and certainly not in a different universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBHockey13 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 He is 5th in playoff scoring with 13 points and a +6 so I can see the surprise. Did you mean to say the Senators won the trade. The third sentence goes against the first two. When you get traded for a Bobby Ryan I am going to guess there are great expectations. I meant that they are saying Anaheim really won the trade now. I'd have to look to see what people thought of the trade then. Bobby Ryan was a #2 overall pick and was considered one of the best young wingers in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 So the Salary Cap it sounds like is going up to 71million or 3% from last year, any problem with using that number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I meant that they are saying Anaheim really won the trade now. I'd have to look to see what people thought of the trade then. Bobby Ryan was a #2 overall pick and was considered one of the best young wingers in the game. I get ya. IMO, Girgensons is a better equivalent to Silfverberg than Grigorenko. In talking trade value, Grigorenko is a nonstarter, Girgensons turns the conversation serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 So the Salary Cap it sounds like is going up to 71million or 3% from last year, any problem with using that number? Now you're just teasing us. Take us, Liger. We're vulnerable. TAKE US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Now you're just teasing us. Take us, Liger. We're vulnerable. TAKE US. Can I use 71million or 3% increase as the cap or not. I can't take you because I don't know myself yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Can I use 71million or 3% increase as the cap or not. I can't take you because I don't know myself yet. Bettman indicated it will be $71M I believe. Ready, set, go... Waiting on team cap percentages spent on O'Reilly vs others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Bettman indicated it will be $71M I believe. Ready, set, go... Waiting on team cap percentages spent on O'Reilly vs others. Nope guess again... Okay so the Salary Cap: 2010: 59.4mil 2011-2013: 64.3mil (Includes the lockout year which is why is stayed static) 2014: 69mil 2015: 71mil Everyone good with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Nope guess again... Okay so the Salary Cap: 2010: 59.4mil 2011-2013: 64.3mil (Includes the lockout year which is why is stayed static) 2014: 69mil 2015: 71mil Everyone good with that? It might take a few days for everyone to check in and approve your methods, but I'm good with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Okay, Liger. I think we're all adults and don't need permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) I get ya. IMO, Girgensons is a better equivalent to Silfverberg than Grigorenko. In talking trade value, Grigorenko is a nonstarter, Girgensons turns the conversation serious. Agreed. Silfverberg was a much more polished product than Grigs is now. A name I don't see thrown around a lot in trade proposals is Johan Larsson. His value is at an all time high right now, and would be a logical piece to put in an O'Reilly deal. Edited May 19, 2015 by qwksndmonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Nope guess again... Okay so the Salary Cap: 2010: 59.4mil 2011-2013: 64.3mil (Includes the lockout year which is why is stayed static) 2014: 69mil 2015: 71mil Everyone good with that? I feel like I should have my lawyer with me for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 It might take a few days for everyone to check in and approve your methods, but I'm good with that. I am rounding the percentages between that year a contract was signed and compared to todays cap how much that player/contract is worth. So for instance... Alexander Ovechkin was awarded 9,538,462 Caphit in 2008. The difference between the 2008 cap and 2015's is 20% so in today's money, Ovechkin is worth 11,446,154 Any problems with this methodology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I am rounding the percentages between that year a contract was signed and compared to todays cap how much that player/contract is worth. So for instance... Alexander Ovechkin was awarded 9,538,462 Caphit in 2008. The difference between the 2008 cap and 2015's is 20% so in today's money, Ovechkin is worth 11,446,154 Any problems with this methodology? Yes. It's not so black and white as you're making it out to be. Man, that was a letdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Okay, Liger. I think we're all adults and don't need permission. If am doing this I want approval of the methodology before I proceed. I have no idea who's point this will prove disprove or if it won't matter. Yes. It's not so black and white as you're making it out to be. Man, that was a letdown. What did you think I was doing? Also why don't you do that instead and then you won't be let down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 If am doing this I want approval of the methodology before I proceed. I have no idea who's point this will prove disprove or if it won't matter. What did you think I was doing? Also why don't you do that instead and then you won't be let down. Man, just present what your going to present and see if it sways anybody. This is like the lead up to Babcock signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm working on it, damn, patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotentPowerPlay22 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 This thread is weird. Extremely. I watched ROR in the world championships and he was largely ineffective on a dominant team. Ennis was far superior to O'Reilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Just do it. It's not as black and white as that, but I like where you're going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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