Hoss Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Compliance buyouts officially start at midnight on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 He's been a damn good D-man. I can't hold the last quarter of this past season against him. I'm for keeping him if he wants to stay. No matter how much people want to tear a team apart and start from scratch, you need some veterans no matter how you look at it. I'm fine with a veteran who looks and acts like he wants to be here. A la Ott. I'm not fine with a vet that looks and acts like he'd rather not be stuck on a full blown rebuild. Or someone whose skill is so far deteriorated like Hank. Much as like him there are other vets that could contribute much more for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 (edited) I'm fine with a veteran who looks and acts like he wants to be here. A la Ott. I'm not fine with a vet that looks and acts like he'd rather not be stuck on a full blown rebuild. Or someone whose skill is so far deteriorated like Hank. Much as like him there are other vets that could contribute much more for us. With the exception of the last quarter of the season when he was stuck picking up everybody elses slack because half the roster wasn't capable of playing at an NHL level, he has been a professional. He never went through the motions, he usually looked like he enjoyed being there (whether he actually did or not) and there was very little on the roster to compliment his strengths. If he wants to go, get him out. If he hasn't made mention of being traded I don't see why it would be a priority. I doubt there was a D-man in the league last year that played so many minutes and had to cover for so many inadequacies of everybody else around him. What defensive veterans? Myers? Weber? Weber is a borderline NHL D-man and Myers hasn't proven anything yet. A short stretch of games does not make up for the last 3 years of underachievements. Ehrhoff is the very least of this teams concerns. Of course, that's just my opinion. Edited June 15, 2014 by JJFIVEOH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 So the Sabres have two available, and one is almost certainly to be used on Leino. Is it possible that they have to use the other on Ehrhoff? The grid (below) on possible recapture penalties if he retires--even if he's traded first--is scary: http://capgeek.com/recapture-grid Saw something that said in order to use a compliance buyout on a player that player has to pass through waivers first. Which, if Ehrhoff is claimed on waivers (I assume he would be) the Sabres would then be on the hook for the full recapture penalty they'd be looking to avoid with the buyout. If they're looking to reduce the risk of the recapture penalty the only option for Ehrhoff is to keep him. The league has confirmed that both ordinary-course and compliance buyouts supersede cap benefit recapture. However, a player must clear unconditional waivers prior to any buyout — unless he chooses to block the waiver process with a no-move clause, should he have one — and thus could be claimed by another team if the player intends to remain active. In these cases, the buyout is pre-empted and the waiving team is still subject to the recapture penalties they were trying to avoid. Meanwhile, ordinary-course buyouts executed in “back-diving” years typically come with equally stiff cap charges. http://capgeek.com/faq/how-does-cap-advantage-recapture-work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Saw something that said in order to use a compliance buyout on a player that player has to pass through waivers first. Which, if Ehrhoff is claimed on waivers (I assume he would be) the Sabres would then be on the hook for the full recapture penalty they'd be looking to avoid with the buyout. If they're looking to reduce the risk of the recapture penalty the only option for Ehrhoff is to keep him. http://capgeek.com/f...-recapture-work He could cooperate and block the waiver, because he has a no movement clause. It would be well worth it for him. He gets major bucks from the Sabres and then picks where he goes for more major bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 He could cooperate and block the waiver, because he has a no movement clause. It would be well worth it for him. He gets major bucks from the Sabres and then picks where he goes for more major bucks. Isn't his modified? Would he be able to block waivers with a modified no-trade-clause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Minnesota is reportedly looking to unload Backstrom so that might be another option for a buyout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 (edited) I think it'd have to be a no move clause to block waivers, I'm not sure what he has. Edited June 15, 2014 by Lanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 If this is the case, wouldn't the Sabres have first dibs on anybody getting bought out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 He has a modified no-trade clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 With the exception of the last quarter of the season when he was stuck picking up everybody elses slack because half the roster wasn't capable of playing at an NHL level, he has been a professional. He never went through the motions, he usually looked like he enjoyed being there (whether he actually did or not) and there was very little on the roster to compliment his strengths. If he wants to go, get him out. If he hasn't made mention of being traded I don't see why it would be a priority. I doubt there was a D-man in the league last year that played so many minutes and had to cover for so many inadequacies of everybody else around him. What defensive veterans? Myers? Weber? Weber is a borderline NHL D-man and Myers hasn't proven anything yet. A short stretch of games does not make up for the last 3 years of underachievements. Ehrhoff is the very least of this teams concerns. Of course, that's just my opinion. I get your points. I was thinking of free agent pick up or someone coming back in a trade. I respect your opinion and I also have one. Or maybe the veteran guy could be McBain. :w00t: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 I get your points. I was thinking of free agent pick up or someone coming back in a trade. I respect your opinion and I also have one. Or maybe the veteran guy could be McBain. :w00t: That's not funny. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Dallas didn't wait. Aaron Rome on waivers today for the purpose of being bought out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 @TSNBobMcKenzie Buyout period started 12:01 a.m. today. Player must be waived to be bought out unless he has NMC, in which case it can occur w/o waivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 So does Leino HAVE to be placed on waivers today? Or does he have a NMC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 So does Leino HAVE to be placed on waivers today? Or does he have a NMC? No NMC, he will not be bought out tomorrow. Wednesday at the earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 No NMC, he will not be bought out tomorrow. Wednesday at the earliest. That doesn't jive with what Bob just said. If Leino doesn't have a NMC then he has to go on waivers today in order to be bought out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 That doesn't jive with what Bob just said. If Leino doesn't have a NMC then he has to go on waivers today in order to be bought out. It doesn't have to be today. He's just saying a player has to go on waivers before a buyout unless they have a NMC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 That doesn't jive with what Bob just said. If Leino doesn't have a NMC then he has to go on waivers today in order to be bought out. They have until the end of the month. This just means the buyout can't happen tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 They have until the end of the month. This just means the buyout can't happen tomorrow. Ah got ya. Thanks for the clarification guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 It's been hours. Battista is clearly whispering in Terry's ear. Gilbert is scheduling the Murray resigns press conference as we speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 It's been hours. Battista is clearly whispering in Terry's ear. Gilbert is scheduling the Murray resigns press conference as we speak. :lol: - Those bastids!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 I'm not upset it hasn't happened because I'm confidant that it will, but I really did think Ville would be one of the first compliance buyouts we'd hear about. I mean, there really isn't much to mull over on this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 I wonder if any trade up in the draft for a salary dump options are being examined first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 I wonder if any trade up in the draft for a salary dump options are being examined first. Why would that get in the way? We still have two buyouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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