SabresneedaCup Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 Yeah, let's just keep picking teams that can trade away their best players for our crap. Come on people. Use that gray mush inside your thick dome pieces. Why the heck would Phoenix ever trade us Jovanovski and Doan? yeah its seems a little lop sided, but it would be awesome to have shane doan on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 Why so? Not sure I get it; I think Chi takes the first buyer it can find for that bloated contract. Chicago shouldn't have anything against Buffalo (unless the Hasek trade still stings), so why not? We know what Campbell is worth. What is Buffalo going to offer Chicago that we think is reasonable...but that they also think is reasonable? Chicago has a heck of a team right now, so which one of our overvalued players would they even consider taking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 yeah its seems a little lop sided, but it would be awesome to have shane doan on this team. A little lopsided? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 Why so? Not sure I get it; I think Chi takes the first buyer it can find for that bloated contract. Chicago shouldn't have anything against Buffalo (unless the Hasek trade still stings), so why not? Chicago will try to shop Huet before anyone else on the team. Good luck to them on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 We know what Campbell is worth. What is Buffalo going to offer Chicago that we think is reasonable...but that they also think is reasonable? Chicago has a heck of a team right now, so which one of our overvalued players would they even consider taking? Oh, now I get what you mean. Well, Campbell also is overvalued, so Chicago has to expect that they're not going to actually get $7.5M worth of NHL talent for him straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
static70 Posted May 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 Sure, there's value. Plenty of value...for the Sabres. I'm not sure that Chicago would go for this, even if it rids them of Campbell's salary. Well, it was my shot at getting Kane here. Do we give up quite a bit? Ya, and we take on more salary. I don't believe Campbell is worth 7 mil but put him with Myers and what a ###### of a pairing they would make. Myers salary would be my concern when his resigning comes, but I want a Stanley Cup here in Buffalo before I pass away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat989 Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 Buffalo Gets: LW Jerome Iginla D Robyn Regehr 2010 3rd round pick Calgary Gets: C: Derek Roy LW: Drew Stafford LW: Zack Kassian D: Chris Butler Why: Roy has value... and they could use a 2nd Center who produces. Lankow is getting old, Conroy doesn't score and is a FA. Stafford is young and big, and while he's no Iginla, he's a LW they could look at. Kassian could be the replacement for Iginla down the road, and let's face it kids, we have to use some of this ridiculous amount of depth here in trades... you can't have it both ways where you keep all your top prospects and trade for a superstar. Just doesn't work like that. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE KASSIAN, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE A TOP FORWARD PROSPECT. Chris Butler struggled this season but has a lot of upside. With Weber coming up and possibly more, we can certainly afford to let him go, or someone like him. Why Iginla? He's not getting a lot of love there anymore. The team missed the playoffs and a lot of people are looking at him as the problem. He's 32... not super old, but far from young. The Flames would get 4 young, talented players in the place of him and a give up a defenseman they have been rumored to shop around before anyway. Regehr is 30, so youth would be a plus for Calgary. Why is this good for the Flames (to summarize): they get younger, they get potentially a lot more talented in the long term, and they begin the process of moving on from the Iginla era with that young talent that should keep them competitive, depending on what they do in Free Agency. Why is this good for Buffalo: Buffalo gets a real captain, a real power forward, a true playmaker, and someone who get "it." Yes, he's 32, but he appears to be healthy and a guy like him will play with a huge chip on his shoulder after getting traded. Regehr is also not young (30) but is healthy and tough as nails... something this team desperately needs on the back end. Free agency will have to bring a puck moving D-man (or a different trade). While this makes the Sabre a touch older, it makes them tougher and gives them instantaneous leadership in multiple places. Also, Buffalo removed 2 players that simply have worn out their welcome here. Roy and Stafford are very talented, but for their own good (put the fans aside) a change is needed because they both need to grow up, and that's probably not going to happen here (my personal opinion). There's mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Well, the Rangers are a good example. One could say that they were fortunate to dump Gomez's contract, though he has done well in the post-season. I should also have specified that given the rest of the contracts that we would still be locked into (Miller, Vanek, Pominville, Hecht, Gaustad, Rivet) unless Regier can pull off a few more miracles, it might kill us. Just for reference, if trade away Roy/Connolly/Stafford, get back Umberger, pay $12 million combined for Marleau/Cullen and pay just under $3 million for Kennedy, Kaleta and McCormick, then: Kennedy-Marleau-Vanek Gerbe-Ennis-Pommer Hecht-Cullen-Grier Gaustad-Umberger-Kaleta McCormick Weber-Myers Sekera-Montador Rivet-Gragnani Butler Miller Basic Backup ($1.5 million) Would have a $57.6 million cap hit. I like the forwards, but that's an awfully young (or questionable, for the vets) defense. We'll probably stay closer to $55 million, unless the cap goes up a lot, to keep from being frozen in case of injuries and at the deadline. So, knock $2.5 million out. I will say that I'm a little more optimistic about maybe getting one be $ player (Marleau) after having run those numbers, though. You forgot to add Regehr. Myers - Regehr Butler - Sekera Montador - Weber - Gragnani It is still young, but that top pairing will eat up a ton of minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Buffalo Gets: LW Jerome Iginla D Robyn Regehr 2010 3rd round pick Calgary Gets: C: Derek Roy LW: Drew Stafford LW: Zack Kassian D: Chris Butler Why: Roy has value... and they could use a 2nd Center who produces. Lankow is getting old, Conroy doesn't score and is a FA. Stafford is young and big, and while he's no Iginla, he's a LW they could look at. Kassian could be the replacement for Iginla down the road, and let's face it kids, we have to use some of this ridiculous amount of depth here in trades... you can't have it both ways where you keep all your top prospects and trade for a superstar. Just doesn't work like that. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE KASSIAN, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE A TOP FORWARD PROSPECT. Chris Butler struggled this season but has a lot of upside. With Weber coming up and possibly more, we can certainly afford to let him go, or someone like him. Why Iginla? He's not getting a lot of love there anymore. The team missed the playoffs and a lot of people are looking at him as the problem. He's 32... not super old, but far from young. The Flames would get 4 young, talented players in the place of him and a give up a defenseman they have been rumored to shop around before anyway. Regehr is 30, so youth would be a plus for Calgary. Why is this good for the Flames (to summarize): they get younger, they get potentially a lot more talented in the long term, and they begin the process of moving on from the Iginla era with that young talent that should keep them competitive, depending on what they do in Free Agency. Why is this good for Buffalo: Buffalo gets a real captain, a real power forward, a true playmaker, and someone who get "it." Yes, he's 32, but he appears to be healthy and a guy like him will play with a huge chip on his shoulder after getting traded. Regehr is also not young (30) but is healthy and tough as nails... something this team desperately needs on the back end. Free agency will have to bring a puck moving D-man (or a different trade). While this makes the Sabre a touch older, it makes them tougher and gives them instantaneous leadership in multiple places. Also, Buffalo removed 2 players that simply have worn out their welcome here. Roy and Stafford are very talented, but for their own good (put the fans aside) a change is needed because they both need to grow up, and that's probably not going to happen here (my personal opinion). There's mine. A great deal from a Buffalo standpoint. It would be a hard sell to the Calgary fans. If you trade a Iginla you need a name back. Take out Stafford and put in Vanek and you may get Calgary's attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 You forgot to add Regehr. Myers - Regehr Butler - Sekera Montador - Weber - Gragnani It is still young, but that top pairing will eat up a ton of minutes. Alright, but now you've added a $4 million defenseman and somehow made a $3.5 million one disappear. They can't buy out Rivet if he's injured and his contract makes it unlikely that they can trade him. Even if they did find a sucker, they'd still have added another (net) $0.5 million to get rid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Alright, but now you've added a $4 million defenseman and somehow made a $3.5 million one disappear. They can't buy out Rivet if he's injured and his contract makes it unlikely that they can trade him. Even if they did find a sucker, they'd still have added another (net) $0.5 million to get rid of. Say goodbye to Gaustad. I'm sure he can be moved for picks or a prospect. If he's not going to be the Gaustad that first came up i really have no use for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
static70 Posted May 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Say goodbye to Gaustad. I'm sure he can be moved for picks or a prospect. If he's not going to be the Gaustad that first came up i really have no use for him. Goose is a good 4th line center, but not at the price we are currently paying him. His contract, combined with his lack luster play have me agreeing with you DeLuca, if he's not going to come with the passion he has shown in the past then its time to show him the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Goose is a good 4th line center, but not at the price we are currently paying him. His contract, combined with his lack luster play have me agreeing with you DeLuca, if he's not going to come with the passion he has shown in the past then its time to show him the door. What has happened to Gaustad is a real shame. This franchise could sorely use the Paul Gaustad of a few years ago. I would like to know what happened. Is he reborn? Did he lose passion for the game? Is he effected by the contract and now plays with fear because he feels he has something to lose? I know it's corny but the Rocky phrase "eye of the tiger" really applies here. He just doesn't have it. Earlier in the season when he attacked, and I mean attacked, whoever it was than ran into Miller I was thrilled to the point of being giddy. I thought if this was the game he was bringing this season he will be a Sabre's legend by the end of the year. Then it was gone as quickly as it reappeared. It's to the point of being heart breaking to see him reduced to a face-off specialist. He can so much more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 What has happened to Gaustad is a real shame. This franchise could sorely use the Paul Gaustad of a few years ago. I would like to know what happened. Is he reborn? Did he lose passion for the game? Is he effected by the contract and now plays with fear because he feels he has something to lose? I know it's corny but the Rocky phrase "eye of the tiger" really applies here. He just doesn't have it. Earlier in the season when he attacked, and I mean attacked, whoever it was than ran into Miller I was thrilled to the point of being giddy. I thought if this was the game he was bringing this season he will be a Sabre's legend by the end of the year. Then it was gone as quickly as it reappeared. It's to the point of being heart breaking to see him reduced to a face-off specialist. He can so much more than that. Lately, he's not even a faceoff guy. And I'm not sure he can be moved for a prospect; maybe for a mid-round pick. That salary for his results is not attractive to teams that are "buying." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Lately, he's not even a faceoff guy. And I'm not sure he can be moved for a prospect; maybe for a mid-round pick. That salary for his results is not attractive to teams that are "buying." You can't teach speed and you can't teach size. Some team will think a trade will shock Gaustad back to where he needs to be. trading Gaustad is much easier than say a Connolly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat989 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 A great deal from a Buffalo standpoint. It would be a hard sell to the Calgary fans. If you trade a Iginla you need a name back. Take out Stafford and put in Vanek and you may get Calgary's attention. Good point, but I would think Calgary would be rebuilding if they traded Iginla. When you're trading a guy in this situation there usually isn't a big name going back the other way, but rather youth and upside. Besides, Roy is the name in that deal. I like your point about Vanek, but don't forget that Roy's perception in other markets is not what we have here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Buffalo Gets: LW Jerome Iginla D Robyn Regehr 2010 3rd round pick Calgary Gets: C: Derek Roy LW: Drew Stafford LW: Zack Kassian D: Chris Butler Why: Roy has value... and they could use a 2nd Center who produces. Lankow is getting old, Conroy doesn't score and is a FA. Stafford is young and big, and while he's no Iginla, he's a LW they could look at. Kassian could be the replacement for Iginla down the road, and let's face it kids, we have to use some of this ridiculous amount of depth here in trades... you can't have it both ways where you keep all your top prospects and trade for a superstar. Just doesn't work like that. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE KASSIAN, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE A TOP FORWARD PROSPECT. Chris Butler struggled this season but has a lot of upside. With Weber coming up and possibly more, we can certainly afford to let him go, or someone like him. Why Iginla? He's not getting a lot of love there anymore. The team missed the playoffs and a lot of people are looking at him as the problem. He's 32... not super old, but far from young. The Flames would get 4 young, talented players in the place of him and a give up a defenseman they have been rumored to shop around before anyway. Regehr is 30, so youth would be a plus for Calgary. Why is this good for the Flames (to summarize): they get younger, they get potentially a lot more talented in the long term, and they begin the process of moving on from the Iginla era with that young talent that should keep them competitive, depending on what they do in Free Agency. Why is this good for Buffalo: Buffalo gets a real captain, a real power forward, a true playmaker, and someone who get "it." Yes, he's 32, but he appears to be healthy and a guy like him will play with a huge chip on his shoulder after getting traded. Regehr is also not young (30) but is healthy and tough as nails... something this team desperately needs on the back end. Free agency will have to bring a puck moving D-man (or a different trade). While this makes the Sabre a touch older, it makes them tougher and gives them instantaneous leadership in multiple places. Also, Buffalo removed 2 players that simply have worn out their welcome here. Roy and Stafford are very talented, but for their own good (put the fans aside) a change is needed because they both need to grow up, and that's probably not going to happen here (my personal opinion). There's mine. You watching the game in a mirror? Stafford, Kassian and Iginla are all right wingers. Not that that changes the point. The trade itself is not bad byt I don't see Buffalo trading Connolly or Roy unless a center is coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
static70 Posted May 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Looking for value, anywhere I can, even a small trade. Would this trade look like value? To BUF Antoine Vermette 2nd rd pick 2010 To CLB Tim Connolly 3rd pick 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Looking for value, anywhere I can, even a small trade. Would this trade look like value? To BUF Antoine Vermette 2nd rd pick 2010 To CLB Tim Connolly 3rd pick 2010 A good trade for Buffalo. I really like the idea of the pick swap as well. I like the idea of stockpiling later round picks. So maybe instead of Buffalo receiving a 2nd Columbus would send a fourth or fifth and Buffalo keeps the their third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelo Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Buffalo Gets: LW Jerome Iginla D Robyn Regehr 2010 3rd round pick Calgary Gets: C: Derek Roy LW: Drew Stafford LW: Zack Kassian D: Chris Butler sorry I don't want a trade for anyone on the wrong side of 30 unless it's a steal. I'd like a trade with a team that has a GM who's not as much on the ball as Darcy is and who has the type of team personality the Sabres are sorely lacking, as well as someone with Cup rings. The Wings always rip off the Sabres because they've got money and they're smarter than us. The Sharks have soft players, like Buffalo, as does Florida. Buffalo's had a good history of trading with the Kings and Black Hawks, although now that the Hawks have a real owner, they'll be alot smarter. Dustin Bufuglien and jack Johnson are high on the list for me. I don't know what it'll take to get those two but, looking at the roster, take your pick... Regier's MO, when he was on top of his game, was to steal dormant players from teams that aren't on the ball. I think his recent history of trades have been try to pick up a power forward at the trade deadline. None of these have worked. I think Darcy should be kicked upstairs and Buffalo should get a new GM whose MO isn't that well known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Looking for value, anywhere I can, even a small trade. Would this trade look like value? To BUF Antoine Vermette 2nd rd pick 2010 To CLB Tim Connolly 3rd pick 2010 I'd say that you'd have to reverse the picks and add some for Columbus to take this. Vermette had 27 goals and 65 points this year, played 20+ minutes per game in all 82 games (has missed 9 games total in 5 seasons), and was 54% on faceoffs. He played on the PP and the PK. He's just about exactly the same size as Timmy and can't play any softer than Timmy. He's just over a year younger, too. He's also signed for 5 more seasons at $3.75 million. Really, I don't see why Columbus would make that trade even straight up, much less downgrading picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat989 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 You watching the game in a mirror? Stafford, Kassian and Iginla are all right wingers. Not that that changes the point. The trade itself is not bad byt I don't see Buffalo trading Connolly or Roy unless a center is coming back. LOL My bad. Perhaps they will take of of that in FA though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
static70 Posted May 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I'd say that you'd have to reverse the picks and add some for Columbus to take this. Vermette had 27 goals and 65 points this year, played 20+ minutes per game in all 82 games (has missed 9 games total in 5 seasons), and was 54% on faceoffs. He played on the PP and the PK. He's just about exactly the same size as Timmy and can't play any softer than Timmy. He's just over a year younger, too. He's also signed for 5 more seasons at $3.75 million. Really, I don't see why Columbus would make that trade even straight up, much less downgrading picks. Would it be reasonable to add Gragnani, Gerbe or Butler/Sekera to the trade without the picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresneedaCup Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 to buffalo chris kunitz to pittsburgh jason pominville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 to buffalo chris kunitz to pittsburgh jason pominville Kunitz has scored 20 goals in 70 games with Pittsburgh playing with two of the top centerman in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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