JP51

at 15 in the NHL he wouldnt have pulled a Sabres Sammy

I cannot see Mariner's agent even returning Adams phone calls TBH... how much money is enough... why would you effectively take the last real quality years of your career and sign for 5 or 7 years here... Dude has got to have a burning desire to win a cup... and if he doesnt is that the player you target? Bottom line, this is not a place you come too if you want to be successful.. we have a lot to do before we change that narrative... maybe someday... but not today... then there is the money.. so many holes to fix, I dont think Mariner gets you to the promise land there is a whole culture to rebuild...

I am not against resigning Byram... I am not sure we get a return that makes us better... if we do, then certainly trade him... I think free agency and who we may or may not sign gonna tell the tale here...

I would not say we are better or project to be at this point. I would not say we are worse... but let's see what next week brings.

So here is where I am at... not gonna lament a 2 that might not help us before 2030 ... not gonna get excited over the player... could care less about Clifton he was a serviceable body. Bottom line KA trying to save his job if these are genius moves or help us in the short term in a moderate to solid way good for him. If they are bush league he may be closer to out the door. Right now we are vasillating between a on the fly retool to get better to a full tear down if the gut the FO and they decide to rebuild. Adams has done damage to this team and we can do nothing about it... he has been given the keys to the assets and Adams gonna Adams... so speculation to me at this point that's nice... just show me the baby and let's see what happens. But to fret he is gonna devoid us of solid assets for nothing or too little doesn't help me anymore... cause I can't change it... the wildfire is burning and its uncontained and I can do nothing to put it out. So... take your shot Kev and let's see the results.

I am not against getting a better goalie nor am I saying that we dont need to improve the D around them. But what I really want is to find out once and for all if Levi is that guy... if he is not then fine go get your guy or try again with UPL or whatever but at this point how much more AHL seasoning is going to be productive or do we have a Jody Gage in net... (clearly to early for that) I dont know the answer. I just want to find out going on his 4th pro year where he will turn 24. I feel like it may be time and maybe the answer is right here... if not move on , upgrade do what you need too

This gives us hope for sure he may not be Chara or Pronger but more that Myers or Power is something let's see how he develops or how we develop him. He may find in order to be a great NHLer he needs to use his size maybe he will to be continued for sure

Always liked the kid not sure what the coaches saw to make him part time I am sure it was something

You can tell i am jaded after all of these years reality is kids 18 let's see he does have size you can't teach but all to often we get these size players like we have mentioned and they are just not the nasty aggressive hard to play against type we want. This kid isn't coming out with a narrative that says that. So I assume the worst but I need to back off on the assumption and wait for it to play out... bottom line is I am not colored inspired with this pick and am more concerned with the direction of the FO in making it... like do they see we need more ass$*les ? Time will tell

Yes I know this and have said it before for sure... I think my sentiment was if they are in active shoe string mode that's bad if they are in gather money to try and take a big swing then good the difference is in the attitude not the result. Bottom line is one big hit doesn't change it all... they need consistent transformative positive change in attitude toughness and skill as well as experience

I dont hate it i just want some nasty I liked Bear but he is 18 let's see Omg I forgot and Smehlik

Cannot believe we took the reincarnation of Tyler Myers, Uwe Krupp and Owen Power over him wait yes I can I dont hate it i just want some nasty

Wonder if that's not the rub here

Question does this two year contract keep him in the RFA group when done?

Lol or maybe Campbell on Umberger 🤣

Which one... the flat footed or head down LOL 🤣 ... still laughing over here.

He totally got me... like flat footed, head down, admiring my pass... BOOM! LOL @Thorny Oh you! you totally got me... totally ... well played... I stand by my thoughts, I literally have no idea what TP is thinking.... but clearly they were unnecessary... 🤣

Well you may be correct, I would say if he takes positive steps this year ( and that would mean a playoff appearance I would bet he is back... if we stagnate or get worse... who knows he still could be back... I dont get Pegula... but I would say that would be a tough one for him to swallow... but honestly, I dont know if he is on the hot seat... cause I dont know what is in Pegula's brain... I just dont..

Then our views totally coincide... because a blockbuster with a major player is probably a heavy lift... we need more than one player.. and more than one player is needed to turn this ship... consistent positive steps forward to improvement is the only way to establish credibility... you cannot fake time... nor consistency... getting Ekblad or Mariner doesnt magically rescue all that is wrong... So, I mean if a deal is there big time to help do it... but your problems are not solved with one pen stroke... it took a long time to get into this mess its gonna take effort to get out.

I agree... I know it is completely impractical to compare him to his father... its not fair or reasonable ... but here I am imagining if he can even approximate that type of player... I am getting caught up on the name... I know... but I just have a feeling about this kid.

This to me is a major major question... in my post I said if we did this to save money.. we have pain ahead... but if we did this to free up money for a big swing.. well then something different.

This is an issue... bottom line is we need to correct the reason that players want out... and that is winning and the over all team cohesiveness... I do not know if this helps or hurts the issue... but it is to me just as bad forcing players to stay that desperately want out.. so.. kinda rock and hard place... to me bottom line what ever it takes to correct the real issue needs to be addressed... I do not know if this moves the needle... but I hope it does...

Torn... I dont think we got enough... part of me worries we intentionally took less to reduce salary, if we did I hate that... as it bodes nothing but more pain if we are taking that do it on a shoe string tact.... Losing Peterka, I know we all worry about what he will become... I get it... but to me lamenting over players that we sent off doesnt really cut it as long as we became better as a result... I would say we have seen many trades that were neutral or net loss... this on paper is a net loss to me... however, what was JJ like in the locker room... was this a Campbell trade or a Roy trade... did we add by subtracting.... time will tell so if the question is right now, I have to throw this out.. cause we just dont know. Return, although it seems we left assets/return on the table and many of the pundits say we could have gotten more (but really do any of us know) I like the acknowledgement of we need skill that is hard to play against... I think this was clearly a move in that direction... so I cannot disagree with the concept... So right now I am a wait and see mode like you have for most trades... but feet to the fire, I lean yes simply because we need a culture change drastically, the overall team toughness needs to increase by multiples and this trade acknowledges that... Lastly, I hate that we have to find a pairing for our overall No 1 pick in Power... but we do... pairing him with a more physical type Dman may let him do what he does best and my hope is that he can emulate a bit more physicality as well...

Hey I heard none of that but I trust you here if so happy for the info. Let's see how these trades turn out in time. But you may be right he may be a mess in Ottawa too I just know he started out quite strong

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