JP51

Thank you!

Ok another question because you know more about this stuff... I have seen this with Levi, Grigorenko, etc... they sometimes let these kids play a few games in the NHL... I think the number maybe is 9 and they can still remain in Jr?? But from an ELC standpoint does that burn a year...

trying to digest this signing..... in terms of good or bad... in the end a lot of it has to do with what comes next... Getting him signed with a 2 year term - Good, he could have went with 1 year in arbitration so if we do want to trade at least we have some term Him being on our team - Good hoping Dahlin pairing brings the best out of him What about a trade - Good/Bad - Its bad we didnt land a top 6 forward, but was that realistic was adams finding out that any one he thought was acceptable didnt want to come here.... Good - not confident Adams would make a trade that would be equal in value today... likely would need prospects to even it up. also Good at least for the time being the asset stays and there is a chance that if the time comes to move said asset (past this year) that it wont be Adams doing the moving Adams handling of the situation - Good - you all know what I think of him and his ineptness, but he got him signed with minor term to a reasonable deal and didnt get us fleeced in a trade because he caved to the pressure. I think he saw the market realized that there was no "real" hockey trade there only picks and prospects to even up a lesser player for Bo. He honestly IMO made the best of a really bad overall situation for the Sabres that limits their ability to even make reasonable trades due to NMCs. Situation - Really Bad - the fact that we have to keep discussing the extreme difficulty for the Sabres to engage in trades with out having to seek equal value in prospects and picks... and in the end they can do what they want... but until this narrative changes ( and we all have our opinions on how and if it will change) you really will tread water in the make/dont make the playoff pool, will never really be a contender unless you get reaaaaally lucky and get Tom Brady in the 6th rd per se... and happen to hit on superstars in the draft... Over all I give Adams the did the best he probably could without really removing options and really happy he didnt crap himself on this one cause this coulda gone wayward... maybe JKek helped

I think this is quite true. I think they are also meeting or will be to get his overall assessment. If they dont improve substantially this year I think ka is toast

I agree he is throwing darts hoping one hits a bullseye I am not sure even he believes him...

Indeed, luck of the draw... this guy got the short stick... but hey, he took it upon himself... my Dad always said you are a big strong kid... most people wont push it with you... but, its the little guy in the corner... that YOU think you are gonna push it with gonna kick your a$$ lol... so I am never the type to start stuff anyways just to defend myself... so I never had a problem with the little guy in the corner... 🙂

Welp if this team keeps going as it is 3500 might be a good day lol 🙂

But even the size... and all... LOL... how unlucky that that the dude with the size was an NHL enforcer... like you just never know what you are stepping into...

Like did that dude really know when he started yapping he was dealing with a professional athlete whose job it was to knock people out... LOL

A lot to like about McTavish... really solid size, offensive upside... I would consider this a win I think if we could get him...

Glad to see Cliff doing so well... wonder if the Glasgow team will out sell the Sabres in tickets this year... lol... Stay tuned...

I think you find out a lot about players after they sign the big deal... some coast... I think we are seeing that with Power, maybe Muel... others try to elevate their game I think like Dahlin and Thompson... I think that helps you identify the type of players you want... I have not given up on Power... probably have on Muel but am willing to see... but if we see the same this year they are part of the problem not the solution... just my thoughts..

I am fine to wait... I think we always want to judge trades and draft picks right away for winners and losers... if you judged the Oreilly Thompson trade day 1 we gotta annihilated... judge it now... both teams probably won... that said... not sure how you judge a Peterka trade by what he does with Byram... and I think further... what are we really expecting to get for Byram.... very unlikely we get a skilled vet player of the same quality offensively that Byram was defensively... more than likely we get multiple pieces in a border line 3rd liner and a combo of picks and prospects to create a semblance of fairness... Not many vets will come here as this team is the bain of professional sports existence for all time... so I am legitimately wondering what you think we may get back to help us? I am not at all trying to be disparaging... just interested.

Some times bottom 3rd consistently is worse than bottom 3... but over 14 years we have been both and we have proven that we can screw both up... so there is that.... But to your point, especially in football when you must have a QB that 10-12 range is the worst to be in... Its why I look at teams like the Steelers and go.. dude cut bait and go get your guy..

I tend to agree with you... I don't know how much TP needs to see to make him get rid of his Binky KA ... like rationalizing with a child... Dude, you are 14 time to leave Carlos the stuffed Cat home .... I do not believe he has this burning desire to win... he just doesn't want nightmares cause he doesn't have his Binky the only thing that is going to move him I believe is when the core players all head for the exit... he has proven that he doesn't care what the fans thing or what the results are.. that may be the only thing that gets him to act... we shall see...

I am not sure, but to your point, it certainly is not in Adams modus operandi.... and further I think that is the great hope... the big improvement "play" this offseason... lets get tougher and play better D and we can finally break out... we shall see.

100% Agreed... I also look at those player we got rid of that should be on your list... no need to rehash them and my anger grows... I think further the destruction of the brand has effectively neutered him from actually fixing this... and the risk of losing the players or some of the players you have mentioned... is far far greater than Adams sparking some kind of genius and magically turning this around... yet.. here we are...

I agree with the vast majority here... I would like to agree with 100% meaning that dismissing Adams is a foregone conclusion... I just have seen too much you can't make this sh(t up stuff coming from them... but maybe its a split the difference... maybe it is a forgone conclusion and Adams is in the So your telling me there is a chance category...

LOL IYKYK

I think you are right... and this is one of the reasons I worry about adams managing assets... desperation is a really bad place to deal from... and hopefully there is something in place that limits what he can do there.

And I think he is there for a reason.. for sure... I think he is Pegula's contingency, I think ultimately he gets this year to really look at our current roster and formulate his own plan should what I think is likely and this is Adams last year... and credit where its due... if indeed that is where we are at then at least Pegula is showing some kind of pulse and prep... We can debate if JK is the right guy for sure, I am agnostic... I just dont know... but some one will need to set a new course if the reset button is hit and the FO undergoes change after their 15th year of failure... if Adams proves us all wrong.. well then... he is at least another good asset in the FO... JK is really no lose for TP. IMO

100% I said the same thing in a previous post.. TP has let this get way too far... so he wants Adams to say... well fine.. he has this year.. if he fails this year... TP is gonna find out pretty quick as Dahlin, Tuch and Thompson are likely gonna make the decision obvious... and look to leave... sad thing is I think they want to stay, I think they don't want to be known as "One of those players" but how many years of their career are they going to spend in futility... I cant blame them... I can only hope that Adams is not in charge of their disposal...

What's funny is I look at these situations too and try to assess fair value etc... I always come back to we need to finally get the best player in the trade... and for once lets us be the team that creates the "equal" value with players and prospects or whatever... Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is the Sabres and especially Kevyn Adams are completely neutered by their situation... we have talked about it ad nauseum NMCs, FA not wanting this cesspool etc.. drastically limiting our options... honestly, it is to the point where I really don't believe a fair trade where we get the best player is possible in these conditions of desperation and horrific leverage... (a LaFontaine for Turgeon trade is impossible) Bottom line is IMO the longer Adams is managing our assets and the condition surrounding the FO, dysfunction, losing etc... continue the more damage he is going to do every time he trades (unless he gets lucky)... the more talent we will bleed out because he simply cant make a fair trade where he is the one upping the talent pool UNLESS he is doing it for prospects or picks.. which of course as you said and are 100% correct will set the fans/board/press off... and the cycle continues... I am beginning to move to a very unpopular place... acceptance that without a new GM and FO as well as a tear down of the existing team there is no way out of this... You might find yourself one of these years making the playoffs and summarily being dismissed and the next year out... etc.. but reasonable hope of contention is really not there... He has this year to prove he is a genius... and can turn the tide... if he fails my initial thoughts I believe will play out... and the ones who will finally cement this will be the Dahlin's and Tuch's and Thompsons who bang the drum to leave... I just hope its not Adams in charge of their disposal... But at this point I believe some level of rebuild is unfortunately inevitable and as much as I hate to say it... prospects and picks are probably once again our best hope as I don't believe he can up our level of talent in these conditions, conditions he played a very big part in... Adams baked the souffle its time to eat and unfortunately its caved in on itself... you probably cant save the souffle...

I get it... I read it that way... but intent is hard to gauge in text... decorated FO... I would say that you are correct here neither Polian or Marv or McD or Beane were decorated... you dont need to be... but you have alot less to prove early on if you already have the accolades... if you dont probably gonna take longer... so I will agree with you there... either way... its cool we dont agree... time will tell and I believe strongly we both hope for the same thing...

My hope... they have things you cant teach... size and skill... mostly... if you can teach them that its ok to use your body to create space and increase the degree of difficulty to play against... not only does that help defensively, but it helps with puck control and offensive transition.... there in lies the big question... can you teach this... will they learn this... do they have it in them to do this... I am not looking for Chara, Chris Pronger or Scott Stevens or Ulf Sammuelsson level of nastiness... but give me a player that uses the body before the stick in the corners and imposes his physical will to make someone pay a price... that would be a dream...