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Well no point me going on about how I disliked Reinhart (that's already beaten to death here) but no way would he have signed 6x6 here. No way. He got 6.5 from Florida and they are a winning team and have those lucrative tax laws working for them. He also, playing on a winner, gets a chance to thrive and then earn even more after this deal for a final fat payday where he wants to retire (probably). Eichel felt trapped by his deal and demanded out. Sam wasn't going to lock himself in here absolutely zero chance without grossly overpaying him then maybe, but even then probably not.

I agree. At this point Pysyk is the best option and as I mentioned somewhere a while back I'd be okay with signing Pysyk rather than dumping him deadline or letting him walk. Nothing extravagant, but of all the retreads out there he's the only one I'd keep. If some kids knock him down to #7 all the better.

I'm not on board with this. At that point both of them would have leveraged the team for fat paydays they didn't deserve. Maybe not as extreme as Skinner did, but the same sort of thing. There is no way either would have signed long term deals here in this environment without huge over payments. Neither was worth that. If they were we'd already have been winning.

Yes, that's the ***** up, the assumption they could get him to sign. They should have known better when he didn't sign by the deadline and there was no plan B as has been mentioned by others.

You misunderstood me. My IF was directed towards who this "consistent D first partner" will be. I personally don't think that's Jokiharju and am not sure who that partner might be.

Don't you think this is more of an IF rather than a ONCE?

Do you really think that was their plan though? I'd make a pretty good guess their actual plan was to sign Ullmark to be the guy for the next 3ish years while they developed the young guys but they cocked it up and then this became their plan. If you can call it a plan at all.

lol, there aren't going to be any new goalies or trades for goalies or anything like that. deal with it.

Ya see now this I agree with. It's a collection of pretty bad to mediocre D men and so yes, compared to them he is a cut above. even with the mistakes.

Sorry, I'm just not seeing that. He is making some confident and aggressive rushes and offensive plays, agreed, but he still gives the puck away, holds onto it too long, doesn't use players around him properly and panics in his own end. Is he better than he was last year at his worst, yes, I think so. But imo at this stage he's still a good offensive defenseman and a mediocre defender.

Well that was a display of some pretty horrific goaltending, both sides actually, but especially Tokharski obviously. Seemed like his glove had lead in it. Columbus wasn't particularly good, contrary to Rob Ray etc. there was very little to like in this game. I suppose you could say they didn't quit, and that's good I guess, but the 5 on 3 was just a joke. You don't let that sort of late period gift get away from you that easily if you want to win. I see some people are coming around to the realization that this is a tank and has always been a tank, it's just a little smarter this time (so far). Don't like Granato's line decisions. Best line to start the year was Olofsson Thompson Asplund and I would have put that back together. Skinner and Olofsson on the same line is redundant and flawed. I personally would have put Skinner with Zemgus and Kyle . But whatever, it's a tank.

Indeed, should coaching not be called into question on this? Granato thinking we should try to score late when we're already back on our heels for the period? idk. Skinner should not be on the ice in any tied game with less than a minute to go.

Calgary pretty much dominated Boston same way they did us so that was kind of nice to see. Sutter has them playing really good. So much for old school coaches being out to lunch and having no place in today's game.

Has anyone seen Columbus play this year? I know what Tort's team played like but have no idea what, if anything, this version of Columbus is, so have no way to meaningfully comment on this game. Find out tonight i guess.

Total stud? I'd agree it was one of his better games this year but to me a stud would imply a bigger physical presence. I didn't see that.

It's a one dimensional hockey team and can only play one way and thus when the other team either plays hard D or takes it up a notch in the 3rd they crumble.

I thought that was a weird game. Lots of sloppy plays on both sides. They didn't look as good as I thought they were so either I was wrong abut them, or they didn't come in prepared, taking us lightly. Some bad goalies and mediocre goaltending both ways. I just didn't like that game, and the ending obviously capped it.

Just a random thought. Bad goaltending in Rochester might ruin their season, but maybe it helps with the development of the other players who will have to work harder, play better team D and not get to coast to easy victories where they rely on a hot goalie? Might actually be good for their overall learning.

idk exactly what's being implied by "selection bias" aside from the idea that if there are two similar guys with similar skills you might take the bigger one, but another factor teams consider that isn't being discussed really is durability. Teams often shy away from smaller guys figuring they won't hold up to the physical side of the game and for the most part it's not wrong. The game has of course changed and their are more places for small talented players, but there's never going to be a situation where you have two otherwise equal guys and teams take the little guy.

idk much about their prospect pool so that might be true, but I don't think I agree with the rest. Their goaltending is definitely better than ours, they have better depth, they have better high end talent, and they are more balanced and can play a more physical game if needed although they are primarily a speed first team. As much as I think Granato is okay and a fine teacher for young players, their coach is also better. I think their rebuild is substantially ahead of ours. Lastly "gm is meh" lol. Memories lingering? 🙂 I do not think this will go well, but better than the Calgary game.

I don't want to actually dump on them or give them any crap right now. I pretty much reached my breaking point after last season and said the only think that'd keep me around is if they blew it up, got rid of the old so called core and rebuilt properly this time. So they did it. They blew it up. If they get this rebuild right, all is forgiven.

Hayden isn't very skilled, this is obvious, but I personally don't want him out of the line up. We're a super soft team and a little grit on the 4th line works for me. I personally don't think much of Bjork and would sit him for a bunch of games and try Murray. Give that line a different look. Or, I think Hayden's played some center before but him in the middle for a bit with Murray on his wing. Or stick R2 between Zemgus and Kyle for a bit and bump Eakin down between \Murray and Hayden. idk, but imo there's nothing to be lost giving Murray a proper chance at this point. He might surprise.

Yup. Not addressing this to you, but often when people compare the players and the game from different eras they just look at how the game is played today and say those guys weren't as good but they fail to consider the necessity of certain different skills and physical elements from that era. For example you had to be much bigger and stronger to be a forward in front of the net as you'd get hacked and whacked and cross checked continually. Defensemen would get pasted into the boards if they went into the corners with their back turned the way they do today. Face planting a guy was pretty much legal in those days. You had to have strength against the boards for freezing pucks. Lots of rules were different and D men generally had to be bigger and stronger and the smaller puck moving guys had trouble and generally never made it out of the AHL. It was just a different game.

They should give Murray a proper shot in Buffalo on the 4th line. Let him play there for 5 or 6 games straight to see if he can bring his game to the NHL level. The 4th line isn't good right now anyway and I'd like to see him get a proper stable evaluation.

Is that clip full speed or slowed down? Cause there's some good moves there, but it looks slow.