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Sure. Crazy idea. Nobody puts big guys in front to block the goalie's vision. Unheard of. Sticking Larry Robinson in front should have disqualified Scotty Bowman from the Hall of Fame. What a dumbass he was.

I'm hoping. I'm really just speaking for myself personally. I almost gave up on being a fan this year. I had it in my head that although I've had enough, if they tear it down (right or wrong) I can put the blame on the Eichel Reinhart Risto core group and bad leadership, bad coaching, bad management, and we can have one last redo, one more let's get it right this time. If they'd continued as it was I'd already be gone. So to me, again just personally, this is the bottom for me and the rebuild is in full swing. Multiple picks, multiple prospects, a new attitude (hopefully) and we start to rise back to where we should be step by step. If this falls apart I don't think I can take any more, and I've been a fan since the 70s.

I agree we should a decent veteran goalie to play with UPL but I don't think this year would have gone a whole lot better with a goalie unless it was Hasek. We weren't going to make the playoffs. In the most optimistic scenario we might have been on the outside looking in with Detroit, but that's at best so I guess better for us fans week to week but ultimately just a worse draft choice. From KA's perspective I think this year was only about trading Eichel and creating a foundation to build on. Tanking (in a way) was just fine with them and in the long run this will be better for us. BUT, this is it for me personally. Next year no more waiting, no more excuses. If we can't start moving up next year we never will.

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I'm sorry, but cherry picking stats can spin things in any direction you want. We also are the 2nd worst in terms of giving up shots on goal and deep in the lower third in terms of shots on goal. So if we don't cough up the puck at center ice who gives a crap? Now having said that, even that doesn't mean a lot unless you consider where the shots come from, how many rebounds you give up, how many are actual scoring chances, how many get blocked and so on. If you want to play with stats, you need to look at ALL of them. We are NOT a hard team to play against.

Is this the same guy? https://www.nelsonstar.com/sports/around-the-bchl-b-c-junior-a-league-dominates-team-canada-west-roster/

Care to elaborate?

Oh please, in today's game, you want/need defenders with strength and reach. At 6'7" he has that possibility. We already have speedy puck movers, we need more defenders. We are talking about a very late first rounder here not a top 10. But here's the real question. Do you not think he is comparable to Samuelsson and could be of similar worth? (You were probably against picking him when we did too I'd guess)

Power.

Seriously? Must be the Pittsburgh thing. Seems everybody these days is smitten by anybody who ever worked for them.

Nah, not at all. Maybe it reads that way unintentionally. Should read as complete indifference. A few years from now we won't even remember he was here.

Don't you argue that +/- is an outdated meaningless stat? Guy is 6'7" strong and a decent puck handler. He's ranked anywhere from 15 to 50, sportsnet and Bob MacKenzie have him around 28, 29, which is where I'm putting him. He would need time and development, but I see him as another Samuelsson but on the right side. What we need. He'd be a 2nd round steal, but I'd jump on him with the late 1st because of the positional need. and his name's Maveric. That's worth moving him up a few slots just for the sheer joy of being able to talk about him.

So by your reckoning Bjork is one of our best players? Stats - phht. So many ways to lie with them or distort what's actually happening. We play crap team D. Full stop.

Maybe you feel that way, but I don't see pro sports that way. There's periodic discussions of why do these guys get so much money compared to doctors or other actually important societal contributors, and part of that argument goes to they have short careers and can get injured. Sometimes it happens, but he got a boat load of money for his short career (if it is short) and he really didn't deserve it, so he will be fine. Can go into coaching if he wants to stay in the game. Guy made more money in one year than many people earn in a lifetime and you want me to feel sorry for him because his career might end? Sorry, just can't do it.

Why? Why not: https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/578989/maveric-lamoureux I'm also thinking Jiricek would be good around that 5th spot.

This is true. We are not a difficult team to play against, and the concept of team defense seems to be beyond us. I'm not sure what the long term strategy is, and while I don't want to play Bylsma hockey next year, I am hoping for more continuity and the introduction of a solid defensive system. Not sold on Granato just yet.

They don't need extra incentive, they get paid millions to be GMs and deconstruction can be a plan they sell the owners on. The only question to me would be are the coaches ever in on it. I mean in our first tank Ted Nolan was a sacrificial lamb, and he knew it I think, but the relationship between a GM and a coach of a tank team has to be unusual at the very least. Ya, that was my point earlier. The Pegula plan is get rid of all goalies and that's why I think this year was a tank too. I just don't think the players lose on purpose.

So you're saying Sam and Jack are like Stamkos and Kucherov?

My memory is vague but didn't we win against Arizona late in the year, even though many fans in the stands were cheering for a loss?

I don't want you to be right, but I think this is true. My objection to that plan is that "development" has to also include winning. Or at least competing and feeling you have a chance to win. A hard working player watching a goalie like Dell let in everything at some point will start to think why am I breaking a sweat? They need to win the fans back as well. It's time, before they kill it completely.

Don't think they have ever been told to lose a game on purpose. Not necessary. The Pegula method is much simpler. Just don't have a goalie.

I, and you, and many others here certainly hope he does, but I don't think he will. This off season (and maybe earlier with the deadline) will tell us a lot about their actual plan and time line. We think it's high time to leap forward, they might think keep on tankin' for one more year. Will be determined by 1. Getting a decent veteran goalie 2. at least one solid RHD 3. other additions to fill out the roster We shall see.

What "serious"? He'll be fine. Just a hockey injury. Not like the guy has cancer or something. That'd be different. As for "trade value" you're joking right? Guy couldn't even crack our line up full time, who'd want him at even half that salary?

Yup, without a doubt. Been saying this since they got put together. Joker is NOT a top pairing D man and shouldn't be. We really really need to add a strong, good in his own zone RHD, ideally 2.