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Maybe the problem was he wasn't a good coach last year. If you want to tell me that he was a below average coach last year, and he was only saved by a career year from Cozens and Thompson, I will listen to that argument. I honestly never played or coached hockey at anything close to a professional level. So maybe he's just not good overall. Last year the power play was very good, but it was realistically good because of one-timers by Tage and VO. So again, the point of my argument is I honestly think he is doing a slightly better coaching job than last year. So if people were happy with his coaching job last year, I don't see why they want him gone this year. Again, if you think he was bad last year, wanted him gone last year... And think that he is still bad this year, that is an argument I won't go back and forth too much on. I disagree with that slightly, but I will respect that argument. My whole point is again, I'm simply comparing his coaching last year to this year. I don't see it as considerably worse than last year.

There's a difference. The numbers aren't cherry picked to fit my argument... The number is about the top two players ARE my argument. Let me put it a different way. 21 out of 23 players on the team are scoring at a rate very close to last year. The entire team is getting just about the same amount of shots as last year. The entire team is getting opportunities in front of the net, high danger chances in mid-range chances, at about the same rate as last year. The entire team is playing better defensively. The only thing that is a major difference is those two guys scoring. If the entire team is producing like they did last year except for them... And those two guys are getting the same amount of shots... About the same amount of scoring chances that are of quality scoring chances... They are just for whatever reason not putting them into the net.... That's not coaching being a lot worse this year compared to last year. I don't get how you don't understand that. My whole argument is based on the things that coaching can impact, shots on goal, production by most people on the roster... Everything is very similar to last year except for those two guys shooting percentage. So again, you're saying I'm cherry picking taking those two guys out of the statistics... Again.... You are proving my point... The coaching isn't that much different except for those two guys... And those two guys. It's not about their shots on goal, it's not about even where the shots are coming from... It is simply about the shooting percentage. I don't know about you... But in any sport when a team misses the playoffs, I don't say let's just change the biggest things possible, I try to identify the individual things that need to get changed. It goes back to the analogy of a sick patient.... You don't say the patient is sick so let's treat every single thing we know.... You try to identify the one small factor that is wrong. Production, shooting percentage, by those two guys is the one thing that is much more different than everything else. Again, I'm not cherry picking stats. I'm doing the opposite. I'm isolating one or two particular stats that are different than everything.

Based on my original post in your response... I don't agree with everything you said but I do agree with a lot of it, probably more than half. My view is the number one thing this team needs is a really really good veteran Defenseman. Someone 27 to 30 years old... Legit top four, Maybe a top two guy. Those are very very hard to get. Especially with a lot of them having no trade clauses. I'm not saying it's easy but that one is on Adams to get done. If he doesn't, I think the defenseman on this team would grow into a very good defense group, but it would take a couple of years. A veteran right now accelerates that. And as for the schedule being weak recently.... Well all of the factors I brought up, Tage and Cozens not producing, they've been there the whole year. Against good teams, against bad teams. The stats I quoted were for the entire year, about those those two at least, not just the past couple of weeks. If anything, the week schedule recently supports my point of view.... As Cozens has only started producing against the weaker team's recently... His numbers were even worse before the run of easier teams in the past month or so. The home versus road record, that has baffled me. But again I don't think Granato is coaching worse this year. They had the same issue last year when they were one point away from being a playoff team. If it's an issue, it's not because he is coaching worse than last year... It's he's doing the same thing as last year. KO I think should be gone replaced with someone younger. Zengus, I'm perfectly happy with his play and I'd bring him back for another year. I'm not caught up on the performance of a fourth line, but two new, young guys, with Zemgus, I'm happy with that I would feel better with some changes to the coaching staff. Switch up some assistance, overpay and bring in an assistant who's really good. My point is I don't think it's all on Granato, and I don't think switching him out for a retread of what's available out there instantly makes this team better. Trade prospects to get a top four defenseman, bring some youth into the fourth line, bring in that experienced asst. coach, and I think you're 80% of the way there to doing what you need to do.

Last year 3.57 goals per game for the team. This year 2.91. Difference of 0.66 goals per game. Last year, Tage/Cozens accounted for 0.95 goals per game. This year 0.47. Difference of 0.48 So, as of last night, 73% of the missing goals from last year per game (0.48 goals per game of the 0.66 goals per game from the team) is due to just Tage and Cozens alone. The entire rest of the team combined is soring 0.18 less goals per game (or, the rest of the team besides them is scoring one goal less every 5-6 games on average.) My whole point is it really isn't much of a change in coaching from last year. The "fire Granato because we want a change crowd" will disagee with every post I make about this, simply because they want heads to roll but... -The team is generating almost (maybe 1 less) shots per game as last year. -The team is generating high danger and mid-range in front of the not shots almost the same as last year (maybe 1-1.5 less per game when I looked it up last week) -Thompson and Cozens are getting the same number of shots as last year. Eye test...Thompson is getting PRIME, front of the net chances he isn't converting on, comments are made by numerous posters in the past few weeks during the gameday threads as everyone can see that. A change of coaching style hasn't impacted his chances...its just he isn't putting them in like the last 2-2.5 years. -The rest of the team is getting just about the same number of shots as last year (maybe 1 less, if that), and they are scoring just about as much (0.18 per game less) If you consider your prime scorers, Tuch and Skinner, have missed more games than last year, that likely makes up the entire difference. -PP looks awful though? Sure does. But as in another thread, Tage, Cozens, and VO account for just about the entire difference. Tage is getting his chances, he is getting his one timers. The PP doesn't look THAT much different than last year (Last years PP was basically feed Tage or VO the puck there wasn't any other movement or magic involved with it.) The difference? Tage and Cozens aren't converting their chances. The PP looked awful last year but was saved by Tage and VO one timers. That was the 'magic' this PP had. If there is a change in scoring (other than Tage or Cozens getting chances but not converting on them) it is very minor. A fraction of a goal per game. But the defense of this team is MUCH better than last year. I'm not saying the team had stellar coaching last year...maybe last year Tage one timers on the PP, Tage and Cozens overall covered up a rather bad team in other areas. My thought is this team might be SLIGHTLY better coached this year COMPARED to last year, they just aren't getting that Tage and Cozens production to cover up the bad things, but are getting BETTER overall defensive play. When I posted this a week or two ago someone suggested that I was reaching for, cherry-picking numbers to just present one side of the story. I don't agree with that, this isn't a deep dive into the deep depths of new age analytics...this is pretty straight forward stats that, to me, are easy to understand.

I'm saying everyone else BESIDES Cozens and Tage. The vast majority of the scoring differene is from them, NOT the rest of the team. Tage and Cozens are even getting their shots off. Every game Tage is not just getting shots, he is getting quality chances....the 2 of them just aren't converting. I put this in a different thread as of last week, but the rest of the team besides those 2....they are scoring at almost the same rate as last year, (the slight difference is likely due to top scorers like Skinner and Tuch missing games) they are getting about the same shots as last year. Tage and Cozens are getting about the same shots as last year, they are just converting a lot less (the 2 of them). As a team they are only off 0.9 shots per game from last year. Their team shooting percentage is down from 11 percent to 9.3...again, the vast majority of that drop is due to Tage and Cozens. If there was a MAJOR change in coaching that was cutting down on the offense, why is everyone else getting (As a TEAM) almost the same production as last year? About the same shots as last year? Even Tage and Cozens are getting just about the same number of shots per game as last year. As much as so many people just want to blame this on Granato, the single biggest difference in offense from this year compared to eveything else is simply Tage and Cozens not converting their shots like they did last year. If you want to throw VO into the mix...yeah, his decline added to Cozens and Tage add to almost the entire drop off in goals from last year, but very few people expected much from VO.

Carolina, Florida, and Tampa next week. That will be a good test for UPL and the team defense.

I don't know the numbers up to today, but when you break things down, this is what it looks like: -Goatending (UPL) is better than last year -Overall team defense, especially since Jan 1, is better than last year (eye test and shots allowed) -Goal scoring is only SLIGHTLY off compared to last year with 2 big exceptions that you didn't expect...Cozens and Tage. They are getting chances. They are getting the same number of shots as last year....just they aren not converting, shooting percentage is way down. I know the narrative is there was a major change in coaching that is causing the drop in goals. That might be partially true but it really isn't more than just a small part. Most of the team is scoring at a similar rate to last year (only slightly less)...its just Tage and Cozens aren't hitting the back of the net.

Zemgus with 1 goal in 11 minutes.... Tage with no goals in 17 minutes... Have to check the stats tomorrow, but Zemgus may have caught/passed Tage in terms of even strength goals per 60 minutes played...for 5th on the team. didn't really see....was mostly following the puck when watching it live.

Just a guess....you want someone who is 'quicker' with a good first step to get to a loose puck and knock it out of the zone? With that little time left, not worrying about someone making a good decision on who to cover on a 2-on-1, or making a great breakout pass.....just simply a quick guy to get his stick on a loose puck? I'm probably reaching....

I think its a bit of everything. He is playing well. The forwards aren't leaving wide open areas in the D-zone. Because the forwards are playing better, that helps the D-men to play better/be in better position. They could all be tied into together. It might ultimately be UPL playing better BECAUSE he has more confidence the team in front of him isn't going to hang him out to dry...

Thompson's shooting percentage is dangerously close to going into single digits...after being almost 16 last year and 15 the year before. I HOPE there is an injury he is playing through becuase it just doesn't make sense otherwise. He would have 26 goals this year already if he just shot at the same percentage he did the last couple of seasons. I don't get too far into the analytics/fancy stats.....but the 'eye test' for me shows the forwards are playing MUCH better since January 1st. Its like someone flipped some kind of switch then and the forwards are making a fraction of the obvious mistakes they made until then.

In an effort to make things look as GOOD as possible (because that is what we do here, honestly, we pick and choose stats that make the case we want to make on this forum), you can say its really the last 15 games that he has turned around his game....all around play AND production.... Since the San Jose game Jan 15 for Greenway, which was the first time he scored in almost 3 weeks: 13 games played, 6 goals, 3 assists, +7 (projected over 82 games, 38g, 19a, +44 'pace') Of course that is cherry-picking stats in his last 13 games, but it does show just how productive he has been over that stretch. Lets see if he can keep up production even CLOSE to that for the near future. He's not a Star player. But what makes for 'good' players are guys who can have stetches as good as that....and not have them followed up by stretches of being a liability or totally disapparing. For the season as a whole he is 7th in es goals per 60 (just behind Zemgus and just ahead of Mitts) and 3rd on the entire team in +/- (only Mitts is better among the forwards)

Back in high school (a couple decades ago), I decided to go to community college instead of U.B. right after high school. Everyone criticized me for me, my parents wondered why, a little making-fun-of and jeering from classmates in school....even teachers and my guidance counselar disagreed. Its something that I'm glad I did then, and I think it applies as a good option even much more today than it did years ago. For a lot of 'kids' graduating high school, I think pressure from their parents pushes them away from 2 year /community colleges. I know talkign to some people at work now, if their kids (or grandkids) don't go to a 4 year school, its almost like it is embarassing for the parents/grandparents.

Andreychuk had very good control of the puck with his stick and was a lot quicker with it than Greenway. Not saying Greenway shouldn't do that, but he doesn't have the puck control/stick skills Andreychuk had. Skinner is really the one player on the team that excels in that. He can get a loose puck in front of the net, get off a backhander really quick or be one of the quicker guys to get the puck to his forehand and let off an accurate shot. The problem is, he does't have the size/body to park himself in front of the net. If you could give Skinner Greenways size....or give Greenway Skinner's hands...you'd have an all star, top 5 goal scorer in the league...but alas, that can't be done.

For the system the team SEEMS to want to run, and the one this year it is effective in, yes. Earlier in the year the PK looked very good for a few stretches. The guys on the PK? Tage, Greenway, Samuelsson and Johnson. What do they have in common? The tallest guys on the team with the biggest reach. Why is that important? The Sabres PK is really REALLY bad when they start chasing. When they establish the 4 man box in their own zone, the opposing team passes teh puck around but hardly gets a good shot. The ONLY times they get a good shot is when someone on the Sabres decides to chase or pressure the puck and they get out of position, opening up great chance for the other team. IF you are going to tell your guys to stay discipline and hold their positions to maintain that PK box integrity, the best way to do iit is with big guys out there that can cover a lot of territory with their reach and stick. The current verision of the Sabres PK actually does that well and Greenway is a big part of it.

doesn't UPL have THREE shutouts since January 1st? Not 2? Chi, LA, and San Jose?

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Your explanation is as good as any. A few games, a part of a season, it makes sense, but a couple years of being better on the road? I really am at a loss. You have the last change advantage at home. You are used to the arena, the ice quality, the boards, the locker room. You more often than not have not traveled as much. there are so many little things that add up to, over the LONG run, being better at home. As you said, maybe its a matchup thing. Maybe they play worse against other teams playing a 'road style game'. There is something similar going on with the Leafs. They do poorly against 'bad' teams (Buffalo, Ottawa, Chicago, Columbus), so the fanbase in TO thinks the team doesn't get up for those games. When really if you break down the games, its not the quality of the opponent the Leafs play bad agains...it is the STYLE. If Toronto can easily outskate a team, they usually win. But when they play a young team (a worse team) but one that has raw talent AND forces the Leafs to put in a lot of effort in to outskate/out 'raw' talent them, they don't like that. When Toronto plays a buttoned up/veteran team that 'plays the right way' but maybe has a handful of guys who lost a step, Toronto does well. But put them against many high flying/fast skating, even undisciplined 'bad' teams....that is where they have a problem. The Sabres may have something like that going on but with the style of game teams play on the road.

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As per this message board, this fan base is so divided I have no idea what he could do where you would not lose half the fan base. -It seems like there are some people, just by this thread, who want Zemgus gone and wish it happened yesterday. Yet others (like myself) not only don't want him gone, but would be happy to see him here for another year. -Coaching and GM....some (it seems like the majority at times) are seething that a coaching change hasn't been made yet. Yet others have said they think the issue is other than Granato and don't want him gone...and those posts have more than a few 'likes' to them. Because of the lack of success of this franchise, opinions on what to do are so divided I have no idea what can, or 'can't' be done without alienating a good portion of the fanbase.

its always easy to point out a stat like I am now after a win and after he scores..but for those who say he brings nothing offensively.....I have said BEFORE this discussion about Zemgus that the best way to evaluate bottom of the roster playrs (3rd and 4th liners) is goals per 60. They get less ice time, so goals per 60 es tells you how much they produce for every minute (or in this case 60 minutes they are on the ice.) THIS year, he is now 6th on the entire team. Who is better? Just Quinn, Peterka, Thompson, Tuch, and Skinner. He is better than everyone else. Historically for his career, he is 4th liner (should rank 10th-12th) on the team but he usually is higher. He missed most of the year a few seasons before, but every other going back to the Covid year besides that he was ranked 8th (or tied for 8th) in goals per 60 on the team. Not only does he rank higher than a typical 4th liner on this team, but he is consistently higher than an 'average' 4th liner around the league (this year, and pretty much every other year). So yeah, he doesn't get assists as much. But he scores MORE than a typical 4th liner, he skates well, is a great forchecker, does his job (I'll say this again, on the 4th line is job is LESS to produce offense and MORE to keep the other team in their own zone while your top lines are getting rest), and hes a good (not great) penalty killer (even when he is on the ice PK when a goal is allowed, I RARELY see him as the one out of position). I have been saying this before this thread even started...but I am totally at a loss for words why people want him gone so badly and think it will help the team by subtraction with him gone. It doesn't make sense on almost any level. He's not carrying the team to victories, that is not what I'm saying here...so if he IS gone the team won't all of a sudden start losing a ton more games...but as a 4th liner, he is GOOD. The eye test shows it, the stats show it.

Cozens has the skillset to be a star. Hockey IQ and awareness, not quite there yet.

Yes, that is how I do watch the team. If I have nothing going on, they are about 2 hours of entertainment. If I have some stuff to do, often times the game is still on and its 'background noise' while I work around the house or work on the computer. I only really get slightly upset if I see a game that they lose and is low scoring. Yes, I want the team to win, get better, make the playoffs, etc. But i'm MORE invested in each individual game than I am in the entire season as a whole...because that is exactly how I view them...2 hours of nightly entertainment. Not much more. I think the fanbase is split into two categories...and many of the arguments on this forum between posters is based on that. Some demand changes because of the long playoff drought, the desire for the team to go deep into the playoffs. We all want that, but a portion of the fanbase, well, that is why you watch sports, to win the championship. Others are able to look at things more positively even when the team is losing, because they are a night-to-night fan, rather than a whole-franchise/season-to-season fan.

He is shooting just as much as he did the last 2 seasons combined, just his shooting percentage the last 2 seasons was almost 50% higher than it is this year. If his shooting percentage was equal to the previous 2 years, he'd be on pace for about 45 goals this year. Hope it IS the wrist, and that is something that can get better.

Serious question...what 'type' of talent plays better at home than on the road?