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I wouldn't have thought so either. I'm just giving the angry fans something to possibly think about, while they question everyone's manhood.

I'm not sure what you are saying, since that didn't happen. Is this just an alternative hypothetical?

If Nelson has been interviewed and he has subsequently spoken on the topic, please let me know. This topic assumes he hasn't publicly answered questions on the play. I brought this up in another topic and I went back to gather more evidence. What exactly did Casey Nelson see on the ice? Now, I know it is MUCH more fun to question the testicle size of people from the comfort of a sofa, but in the spirit of ask questions first and shoot later, why did Nelson react the way he did? Going back to the video: You can see Nelson peel off to the boards and go out of the frame. I'm not sure if he faces forward the entire time or if he circles and turns his back to the play. In the screen shot I have attached, you can see his left leg in the bottom left of the screen as he turns towards the boards. In the other screen grab, Jack has already been hit and Nelson is emerging from behind a second Avs player. So, what did Nelson see? Is it not plausible that: 1. He was to Eichel's left which was the clean aide of the hit. It is Z's left arm, on the opposite side of Nelson, that makes contact and face washes Eichel as he falls. Could he even see what happened? 2. He was screened by the 2nd Avs player? 3. His eyes weren't looking at Eichel at that exact moment in time? He is on the ice. Players scan the ice all the time. He could have glanced at the ref seeing if he was going to call the offside. He may have turned. He may have been looking down at the puck. Wherever What we DO know, is that he did not have a view from his sofa from a 200/300 level camera and did not see 10 replays from multiple angles. Is it possible that he heard the hit, saw Eichel on the ground without his helmet, but didn't know what exactly happen because he just didn't see it? If so, is he expected to just start throwing punches?

But his contract may be higher than an apples to apples comparison would suggest across the league. I don't see anyone suggesting he get lowballed and to walk away if he balks.

Oops. I meant either just over one or less than two. ?

50 sounds like a lot, until you try to acquire one of them. That's less than two guys per team and we have two of them. So, if those 50 are essentially unavailable, then you have a scarce resource with a need to fill. He may not be worth the price compared to others, but if you can't get the others - what are the choices?

Math is hard.

Moving away from the Sabres/Avs game to the more general hit/response meme that gets played over and over... I have a lot of thoughts on what appears to me as fan speak, stemming from some programming they received when they were fans in the 70s. I don't see anything compelling about these responses. Why? Because what *actually happens*? Sam Reinhart tackles someone? Someone throws an errant punch or two against a helmet or a shield? Two players pull jerseys and spin on the ice for 20 seconds? Are these really payback events? Are these actual deterrents? Am I actually scared someone is going to pseudo-wrestle with me after delivering a dirty hit? When was the last time you saw the celebrated "response" and thought to yourself, "Wow, that guy learned his lesson! They will NEVER do that to us again after THAT brutal response!" I went looking for opinions and answers. Here is an article I found from 2015. It confirmed my thoughts and it is 4 years old. The conclusion would be magnified today. https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/how-do-teams-respond-to-dirty-hits/ One quote: That's what I saw against the Avs. The team was far more physical the rest of the game, but got out shot 3 to 1 and was shutout. Yet the old guard needed a bigger, more grandeur response because of the Code written 50 years ago.... I don't think it really works that way anymore.

What does anyone here know about what Nelson saw on the play? Did he see the whole play? Was his sight line obscured by the Avs player in front of him? Did he comment on this?

Sorry to hear about your brother. Cancer sucks. FWIW, even if you handed out the Stanley Cup to every team, in alphabetical order, the most cups we could expect is between 1 and 2. The fact that they haven't won one is not that remarkable. 12/31 ~ almost 39% haven't won one yet. Which means only 19 have won it and many of those teams are older than the Sabres.

I think the whole argument is more fan generated fan speak. Are the Avs fans going nuts about the ZERO scrum response to Soderberg? Soderberg got up and skated away and didn't defend himself either.

So weird that there would be more Avs fans in the crowd considering it was played in Denver. ?

The two bolded statements are in direct conflict. You claim no one immediately responded and then praised the two that immediately responded.

I guess it depends how you define principle point of contact. If my arms are in and not extended and I hit your chest and shoulders and I have a hand on your face at the same time what does that mean? I don’t think his head experienced any additional force than did the rest of his body - beside the forearm that went up and over his face. The force certainly wasn’t concentrated on his head.

I have watched it a dozen times. I think he hits Jack in the chest and then when he slips and starts to fall he continues to push his forearm under his chin and up and over his face and knocked off his helmet.

If you call a face wash with his left arm targeting the head… His right shoulder went into his chest.

Does anyone know what the big bad Colorado Avalanche did when Eichel delivered this suspension-worthy blow to Soderberg’s head?

We have plenty of notifications: https://www.sabrespace.com/community/notifications/options/ You mentioned the Boston Red Sox having 4 championships… Care to comment on the previous 80 years or whatever it was?

No leeway with what made contact with the head?

The hit looks worse than it was. The head contact is with his back, not shoulder, arm or elbow. Should have been 0 games.

Given that Eichel’s back is what made contact with his head, despite Eichel skating forward, he may get off with nothing. It’s hard to be convicted of head hunting with your scapula.

Garbage plates after you graduate from college should probably not be a thing.

To be fair, we lost a ***** load of posts after the server crash that lost a years worth of data.

Sabres outhit the Avs 36-26. Y’all should be happy. They won!

1. Agreed. People should stop wishing for players from previous eras to come back and play the modern game. 2. The hyperbole is not supported by video evidence.