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Lol No. Norris did not outscore Cozens Scoring. https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/nhl-players-stats.html

The Sabres could be better next year than they were this past year, for many reasons. It’s not likely they will be better because they got rid of Peterka.

This is obnoxious. And this is flat out bull hockey. I've mentioned jjp and his 2nd assists multiple times. You have no counter argument other than points. It's surface level. You've really gone downhill as a poster the last couple years. Just always with this tone. I've been more right than wrong over the years though.

Metal is full of cartoons. The image I am using is an example, Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead. He didn’t have Ozzy’s fame, but he probably out punched Ozzy for living the heavy metal lifestyle.

Yes and Quinn will have 80 points last year Or was that the year before? I always try to stick with your predictions as opposed to my demonstrably more accurate ones

Start with points, or continue being wrong it’s honestly your call lol No one is ignoring all of the other context - listing it out doesn’t beef up your argument it simply belabours a nothing point Assists were not *mentioned* until i did so

I mean, you are literally taking a larger conversation about production out of context and then turning into something it isn't. No one, and I mean NO ONE, believes you just say oh well we subtract 30JJP goals and add in 18 of these other goals and that's our total! because that would be stupid. It is contextualizing how much offensive production this roster lost overall compared to what he currently has. You don't need to get flippant about it because you think JJPs 41 assists are being ignored. What about Cozens atrocious defense? What about Clifton being off the roster and so far fewer giveaways? What about Doan being able to force Greenway down a line? What about Quinn being healthy? What about Norris being healthy or not? What about JJPs role in Buffalo playing with Tage Thompson versus his role in Utah? What about the goalies Buffalo faced and system they play. We know it is more complicated, but we started with goals and can move on to other things. @Thornydisagree with this all you want but 23 of his 41 assists are 2nd assists. His primary assist rate is the same as Zach Benson's. I think Peterka will get 25+ goals in Utah but I don't think he gets 41assists.

Agree and JJ does things like that on goals he doesn’t get the points for I just think all else being equal the guys with the higher point totals are the guys contributing most to offence when we traded Eichel you wouldn’t say “goals” would you? Well you probably would but it wouldn’t be very fair would it? You are sort of over complicating what I’m saying. I’m simply saying it makes more sense to look at points than goals. It’s not perfect but it’s closer

Yes this is the worst, we have 2 backups on any other team starting for us.

JJP and 2nd assists: 2022: 7 2023: 12 2024: 23 JJP and 1st assists: 2022: 13 2023: 10 2024: 18 And Kesselring 16 primary, 6 secondary assists Doan 8primary, 4 secondary assists and neither player was given the ice time all year or the linemates Peterka got.

It isn't more objective. You then start to ignore roles, toi, team structure. None of this is more objective. Also, I went into JJP assists. If you think Peterka is going to run at 1 secondary assist per 60mins again this year, fine but I will bet on that dropping without Tage or Tuch being on his line. Over half his assists are 2nd assists and those fluctuate. 41 assists! LOOK! yea but 23 of those were 2nd assists.

The context was Perreault’s post. The part you bolded is me disagreeing with his numbers on his terms. The part you considered extra was me framing the argument in my own terms, the terms I think are relevant And I’d apply that argument against your assist argument as well. For example. JJ Peterka’s assist would not exist without Byram forcing Marner to rush his shot so UPL could make a clean save directing the puck to Dahlin’s corner where he quickly flipped it to Tuch who happened to be exactly where he should be and fed it to Peterka streaking up the opposite boards who took the D wide and dropped it back to a space created by Byram rushing the net for Tage who beat Woll with a perfect wrister. Every player on the ice contributed, not just Peterka and Tuch with the assists.

83 points in, 124 points out - that’s your better starting point Your more objective starting point It’s not 33% more out, as simplifying to “goals” would suggest. I’d wager it’s far closer to the ~50% marker using all points would suggest

Why did Dylan Holloway jump from 6 goals and 9 points to 26 and 63 last year? Nothing in his resume suggested that was coming. Who expected Tage Thompson to suddenly erupt with 38 goals when he did? Five years ago thinking Gustav Forsling the best D on a cup winner? Yeah, right. Player performance can be as much about opportunity and circumstance as it is skill.

I know you made reference to “there’s more to it” but it’s an X for me because assist totals for me aren’t “more to it.” They are simply “it.” That’s raw offence. ”Goals scored that’s 34 in, 46 out. It’s not 20 or 30 the defence needs to make up, it’s 12. But it’s way more complicated than that. How will the moves affect the power play, the PK, line chemistry, line matchups, situational deployments, the forecheck, the backcheck, puck battles, rush offence, rush defence, exits and entries, the cycle game, getting to the net, blocking out, D zone structure, the room…?” This reads pretty firmly as “it’s 12 goals, for offence, and then other stuff” I just disagree. Assists deserve to be included with / attributed to raw offence. The “goals” we will need to replace. It’s not chemistry, or rush offence, or any of the stuff you mentioned it’s offence. The calculation doesn’t start at 34 in, 46 out. I don’t think it’s just an oversimplification - I think it’s an oversimplification to the extent of being functionally meaningless in terms of a discussion point

I’m not sure how this is much different from my post you disagreed with. Honing it down to simply goals scored by Peterka and stopped by Kesselring is dramatically oversimplifying how hockey works. .

Yes he did ask for a trade before the injury. He asked for a trade in 2020 upon hearing of the Adams plan to long form rebuild in line with EEE

I thought Eichel did request a trade before the surgery palava happened? And that was part of the issue, and why they were relcutant to let him have the surgery

Awful ordering. The McNabb trade worse than ROR is a farce and the Kane trade was far closer to a great big heap of nothingness than our very worst trade. The jets got nothing from it either. The build didn’t fail because we lost a 1st round pick they don’t even take issue with the players - their take away is it tried to “win too quickly.” After all we’ve seen, for that to be the takeaway is high comedy. Our issue has been the exact opposite

I am not a big fan of Sabbath or Metal but Paranoid is one of the catchiest songs ever written. I think you could also look at some early Sabbath and make a case for proto punk as well as Grunge with the detuned guitars. One thing about Ozzy is that he is one of the few human beings who I think has reached cartoon status. I don't mean this in a negative way. To reach human cartoon status you have to be instantly recognizable, be totally unique and be well liked in spite of any flaws they may have. Some people have actually been turned into cartoons like Mike Tyson. I think Mr T might have been a cartoon. Hulk Hogan was a manufactured character but he certainly sells it. Muhammed Ali could have been one. There are not many individual musicians you could point to and say they are cartoon status. Maybe Elton John because he is very famous and had the costumes. It's hard to put my finger on another one. Alice Cooper would be in the same mold as Ozzy just not sure if as many people would recognize him. Anyway Rock on Ozzy.

For me, trading away Reinhart was the biggest WTF by these arrogant dopes. Drill another well my a$$.

That was the best part about trading Eichel- you don’t trade playmaking, just “goals” What did Eichel have his last year? 2 goals? 2 goals out. Mathing. - - - You don’t want to trade a guy like Norris cause his goals assist ratio is too weighted towards goals you trade playmakers or guys with high assist totals - the “goals out” calculation doesn’t need to take that into equation so it’s a pretty damn good strategy Honestly have we considered moving Dahlin? Had we moved Dahlin for Doan we’d only have been out 6 goals. That would have been my move Peterka had 41 assists last year. The Kesselring, Doan, Norris combo had 47, combined Peterka had 41 assists last year. jAsh Norris has 67, in 8 years since being drafted

Preventing 10 goals is just as good.

Databases are weird. I just ordered something from a company that I made another purchase from ten years ago, when I lived at another address. I forgot I ever worked with them before. I filled out my billing address and delivery address and when they shipped the item, instead of using what was newly entered in my profile, they sent it to my old address. Interestingly the person who lives at my old address had enough initiative to return the item to sender. It arrived there (Orchard Park, btw, four miles from my mom's house) Monday. I sent them emails and called them and hopefully they'll send it to the right address now.

Happy reading. The most painful is the drafting, I’d add the 2nd rd picks are even worse than the failed 1st rounders. 15 2nd rd picks and only 2 good players in JJP and Compher and both were traded away. UPL and Samuelsson have been more bad than good by a wide margin and the rest from Hurley to Leinonen are busts or soon will be. Hard to build a team this way.