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The sad part is that even if the delivery sucks, there’s a lot of truth in there about how far the atmosphere in here has fallen. It’s off the rails because people got personal… so let’s make it even more personal.

Can't we get past this undertow? I don't understand what you mean by "vehemently disagreeing", honestly. What am I disagreeing with? A lot of you responding to me keep saying something similar. I don't think TP and/or KA, just for example, have done a good job. It hasn't worked. Isn't there anything else to discuss? Can't you try to say something different? Can't I fully comprehend the failure while also not wanting every thread to end up in the same spot?

Morris Titanic says hello.

If we ran the Sabres, they would have made the playoffs at least once.

Have you considered the moment you start vehemently disagreeing with all the posters you used to learn from might be the exact point where it would be most frivolous to abandon that logic? The posters haven’t changed. The posters haven’t “taken the place” anywhere what you are seeing is the manifestation of the frustration that arises from the awareness of powerlessness. We can’t do anything: all of our bitching can’t make the team better: proof pudding all of our bitching didn’t make it bad, either your contention is with the environment that naturally arrises from this level of disfunction

Terry Pegula is the reason, he took us here.

I get it. I appreciate the discussion and you at least hearing me out. I know I'm not well liked by quite a few and not trying to sound like a martyr but feel obligated to say something every once in a while. Not to beat a horse but I came here mostly as a reader. I rarely posted. I always liked the Sabres and pretended I was Andrychuk in the driveway shooting tennis balls against my parents garage door. We couldn't afford for me to play hockey, so I was predominantly a baseball player and some football. Later in life I loved hockey more than I ever had but I didn't understand it like baseball and football. I was fascinated with the knowledge here and listened long enough to learn to have my own opinions. I was learning hockey from SS posters. Now it sucks. Most of the posters that became my always read, turned so negative there's little enjoyable. I miss you guys and gals. I wish you'd reconsider where you've taken the place.

We don’t want to push away those that disagree with us, as much as I agree with your overall stance on things I’ve been the recipient of more eye rolls from 13 than anyone, maybe combined: and that’s just the way it has to be sometimes. As the majority we have to take it because, deep down, I’d wager 13 and others know the board is accurately reflective of the tire-fire the organization has become. The board IS full of negativity: that’s cause and effect at its finest. The problem is absolutely the organization and not the posters but that goes for 13 and others too. They just have a different defence mechanism

Disagree. Many posters have different opinions, but only one is annoying…YOU!

Joe Kowal and the draft of 76. I almost forgot that guy. Denis Tsygurov is also a candidate for the all Russian Sabres team.

Okay, so this guy's schtick is "try to make a bunch of suburban kids farm strong". It is funny that so much time and energy has been spent on all sorts of gimmicky training programs, supplements, diets, when all anyone really needs to do is lift heavy, build core strength, run like... 3 miles every couple days, get good sleep, and eat a shitload of chicken and pizza.

I’ve said what I had to say and have no desire to say more on the topic.

I absolutely understand that I'm annoying. In the same way it's annoying to hear the same exact negative things being repeated. I disagree that it's "every" thread that I challenge the negative posters. You don't think the black hole most threads dive into are outnumbering? It's not about me either, it's about posters that feel the same as I do. Won't you agree, at least, that it's fair that we annoy each other and not just one group gets to annoy the other?

Did the Sabres hire an executive level Senior Advisor yet?

I’m just amazed that anyone around here still has that much passion left.

Because Adams sold the idea it would take that long. That was the chief farce

@thewookie1 why is it so important to you that a player leaving Buffalo doesn’t succeed elsewhere? Why does it matter if the Sabres improve overall?

Eichel sure was ecstatic that he forced his way out. Was the return sufficient? I would say no. Reinhart was certainly ecstatic that he after not being signed to an extension he declined to sign a belated extension. Was the return sufficient? I would say no. I'm certainly not putting Samuelsson in the category of those elite players. But I thought that after the "non-involvement" incident which resulted in him being benched that his play improved and became consistent. I do like Byram. But if I had a choice between keeping him or trading Samuelsson I would prefer keeping Sammy and try to get a good return for Byram. Samuelsson has been plagued with injuries that have impaired his play. If he can become more durable, a big if, I believe that he can be a solid contributor. There is no question that the blueline has to have a better mix. However, I'm not giving up on Sammy right now as a lot of others are. Sometimes not making a deal is the best deal you can make.

The owner has owned the team for 14 seasons and has not once made the playoffs. What are people on the board supposed to be happy about? Why does Kevyn have a job? Why was he hired? What are the positives about Kevyn’s 5+ years as GM and Terry’s 14 years as owner are we supposed to be thrilled about? And why do you get to decide what we are to discuss or not discuss on this board? No one has to visit the board and no one has to post. All the posters still here after 14 straight years of failure deserves a special award for perseverance. People are fed up because it’s been 14 years of failure and they have learned absolutely nothing. They are making all the same mistakes that have lead this franchise to being the laughingstock of the league.

Isn’t that exactly what you keep saying? The only thing more annoying than the TP and KA bashing taking over every thread is you then making every thread about you and how you’ve been wronged. There is a whole lot of mirror gazing that needs to happen on every side.

I'm not a TP or KA apologist. That's not what I'm communicating. It's what gets thrown back every time when I, every once in a while, object to the incessant negativity. Why too bad? What you're essentially saying is, then don't come here if you don't like the vibe. I didn't tell you to leave or stop posting. Why isn't everyone allowed to express their thoughts? I posted as someone that wishes we could return to what this community was. We don't need TP or KA, etc to turn it around. I know as an emperical fact, I'm not alone. Every time Taro posts about rules it's enlightening. Every time LGR posts about prospects and draft picks it's a must read. Anytime Tom Webster posts, you should read it.

... the whole world scolds with yoouuu ?

I don’t care if a player has success after he leaves Buffalo. I just want trades that improve the team NOW.