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Go look up what adams said about jbd "I think from our perspective, where his projected salary was going to come out and where we had him slotted in the 8th spot.. just felt like that didn’t make sense with also having Ryan Johnson (and others).. that’s why we made the decision we made.” Kevyn Adams He was literally afraid of being on the hook for an arbitration award higher than he felt while openly admitting he views Bryson higher. Jfc kids, it's bad process and I'm being debated about how bad it is. Wtf are we doing here.

Okay. https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/sports/sabres/report-sabres-taking-bowen-byram-to-arbitration The fact they never made it to an arbitrator doesn't negate the fact the Sabres asked for it. Deals signed before are the player's choice.

My neighbor ran a microbrewery in a garage for a few years. It was successful until his brother hijacked the company and built a fancy brewpub that they lost their ass on. I've been meaning to ask if he still owns the recipes because he made some awesome stuff. His Berliner Weisse was A+.

He literally did not. No one went to arbitration.

You're bang on with this. Their actions show they think Timmins is helluvalot better than I do. This is a injury-plagued player who has played 42, 37, 6, 33, 25 and 68 games respectively in each of his 6 pro seasons. He has a history of solid Corsi numbers but doesn't seem to add much in terms of production or physical play. They've chosen to invest 2 years, $4.4M and a 2nd-round draft pick in him. And giving away Clifton was not necessary under the cap in order to make that happen. Their valuation makes no sense to me.

Every cap site had Timmins getting between $2.2-2.7MM but SabresSpace says he's only worth $1.5MM. Who are you going to listen to? That's why he took Byram to arbitration.

Timmins signed pre-arbitration: $4.4MM/2yrs

Adams: Just like the RFAs this season, gotta save that money for next year and Skinner’s increased one-year cap hit. Jarmo: That’s not how the Cap works.

I definitely don't want a fruit bomb. I'm hoping for a Blue Moon level of fruit flavour, only with cherry instead of orange.

No. That 5 million left is right about where Terry wants to be. Unfortunately I think we stay put.

You keep saying this and you are right as long as all your assumptions are right. However, if they don’t share your opinion of the value of JBD, Bryson and Timmins, then none of it is really correlated. You may be right, they may be wrong, but I see no correlation between walking away from JBD because they didn’t want to pay what they thought he might get in arbitration while being willing to pay Timmins close to what he was going to command in arbitration. And for the record, I would have kept JBD over Bryson but I really can’t get worked up about out 7th, 8th or 9th defenseman

This is a bottom 5 team next year and the only joy I'll get from it will be if Terry finally cleans house.

The gm was afraid of arbitration. We know because of his words and actions. That's hilarious because it's a formality in 19 out of 20 cases.

Pretty sure, though, that is his point. Having retained Bernard-Docker even at the risk of him ending up with a Timmons contract (or more likely what we'd've expected Timmons contract to be, not the one coming in at over $2MM/yr) knowing how well he and Power looked at the end of the year rather than bringing Bryson back would've resulted in a better defense at least on paper than what they have now with Bryson as the spare. Because they very likely could've come to an agreement with JBD prior to reaching arbitration.

Now this is goalposts moving. You think the issue is Timmins? No, it's that they let a guy go because "what if he files for arbitration!?" Which was the gms rationale only to sign a guy who immediately filed for arbitration. It's hilarious and bad decision making because as you point out, they all sign anyways.

There’s plenty of incompetence to go around. My issue is that we start blindly labeling every single thing that way. Timmins, and pretty much every single player that did so this year, is completely meaningless. There’s maybe 3 left at this point, they all got deals done. Filing is essentially just a formality at this point. Pretty much nothing goes to a hearing anymore.

I'm no roslovic expert...but my understanding is his D is awful. Do we really want to add that to 'this' roster? I believe Adams is done and this is the team.....unfortunately

Roslovic is still available. Rust &/or Rackell are supposedly still on the trade block from the Pens. Would probably need Pittsburgh to retain a smidge to have some flexibility as injuries pile up, but they could make any of those work.

won the off-season

The gm said they didn't want to do arbitration with JBD and then signed a bad player and allowed another player to file for arbitration b4 signing him. It's not moving the goalposts, it's recognizing incompetent decision making.

AFP analytics on cap wages had Timmins at 2x2.67M projected. Not sure why it was that much. Pretty far off of what he got.

How does Victor Oloffson sound? 😬 There’s not much available out there…

He would have been a UFA after one year. This 2 year contract does buy into one year or that. But also, signing before the hearing avoids the massive headache that process is. That’s a huge plus for both sides.

Quenville certainly knew about what was happening (and didn’t do anything), but he wasn’t the person accused of the act. This isn’t to say Q is a great guy; I wouldn’t want him to run the Sabres. I just don’t feel comfortable with any of these people, guilty or not. This wasn’t something completely fabricated like the Duke lacrosse players. Something happened that night, legal or not, that many of us wouldn’t take part in. Pass.

What is the point in signing before arbitration unless you think the results would yield a potentially higher AAV award? So was he somehow going to get MORE than $2.2M annually if they let it play out? Or just bad negotiating by Adams…again? If I assume he was a portion of the second round pick collateral to Pittsburgh (Clifton cap dump being the other), and if JBD would have gone to arbitration and that process yielded say $1.5m- $1.8m, are the Sabres better off with Timmons at $2.2m or with JBD, the draft capital (whatever it may be) plus the additional cap space (not that it would be used)?