Almost time to think about Gavin McKenna?

[SabresBillsFan]

It’s not gonna happen. Who is picks 2-5?

[Thorny]

BPA is the rule the Sabres have, like in so many other ways, become the exception to. They simply need to draft a C with their next high pick 

[Crusader1969]

35 minutes ago, Thorny said:

BPA is the rule the Sabres have, like in so many other ways, become the exception to. They simply need to draft a C with their next high pick 

pretty sure there isn't a centre in this years draft at the top of the draft

Just going off Scott Wheelers list, there is only 1 center in the top 10 at this time and he is ranked 5th overall 

IF the BPA was a Dman, you then would have to turn Power, Byram, Tuch, or Thompson into a 1C which would be a difficult task 

teams would have to be a Mickey Mouse franchise to give away a 1C like Matthew's, McDavid, MacKinnon or Eichel 

 

[LGR4GM]

53 minutes ago, SabresBillsFan said:

It’s not gonna happen. Who is picks 2-5?

Stenberg, Verhoeff, Lawrence, Belchetz

Subject to change though. It's really early in the process. 

[Thorny]

13 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

pretty sure there isn't a centre in this years draft at the top of the draft

Just going off Scott Wheelers list, there is only 1 center in the top 10 at this time and he is ranked 5th overall 

IF the BPA was a Dman, you then would have to turn Power, Byram, Tuch, or Thompson into a 1C which would be a difficult task 

teams would have to be a Mickey Mouse franchise to give away a 1C like Matthew's, McDavid, MacKinnon or Eichel 

 

Or the pick itself by trading it now or later 

Mystery box retains the most value 

these “just trade someone else to fill the void” theories never actually happen 

if they want a high end young F they’ll need to use the pick, one way or another 

Edited 18 hours ago by Thorny

[LGR4GM]

10 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

pretty sure there isn't a centre in this years draft at the top of the draft

Just going off Scott Wheelers list, there is only 1 center in the top 10 at this time and he is ranked 5th overall 

IF the BPA was a Dman, you then would have to turn Power, Byram, Tuch, or Thompson into a 1C which would be a difficult task 

teams would have to be a Mickey Mouse franchise to give away a 1C like Matthew's, McDavid, MacKinnon or Eichel 

 

Tynan Lawrence is pretty solid. He's young for the class but he's interesting. He just got back from injury. 

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

Or the pick itself by trading it now or later 

Mystery box retains the most value 

these “just trade someone else to fill the void” theories never actually happen 

Until Adams is gone, I don't trust trades. 

[Thorny]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Tynan Lawrence is pretty solid. He's young for the class but he's interesting. He just got back from injury. 

Until Adams is gone, I don't trust trades. 

Hopefully whoever the GM is once spring starts is able to find a way to make a F (prefer a C by far) happen with the pick. They certainly can’t just go up there and take another D man imo 

[Crusader1969]

14 hours ago, inkman said:

A teenager isn’t going to help this team now. They need actual grown men who understand this isn’t some fledgeling hobby. I want players that take the job serious and will do anything to get the job done.  

With this 6th goal and 11th point in 15, here is another example of a teenager not being to help his team win

[Crusader1969]

56 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Or the pick itself by trading it now or later 

Mystery box retains the most value 

these “just trade someone else to fill the void” theories never actually happen 

if they want a high end young F they’ll need to use the pick, one way or another 

Sure I'm up for trading the pick but if we can learn anything from the Sabres history, that isn't going to happen. 
I would also have no issue taking a Dman and trading away a guy like Power to help the forward group 

lots of ways to peel an onion 

[Thorny]

8 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Sure I'm up for trading the pick but if we can learn anything from the Sabres history, that isn't going to happen. 
I would also have no issue taking a Dman and trading away a guy like Power to help the forward group 

lots of ways to peel an onion 

If history suggests they won’t trade the pick it hammers home the idea we won’t be able to trade the guy the fans don’t want anymore for the player they couldn’t draft. They won’t draft a D and then trade a D we already have for the forward we actually wanted to draft, complete pipe dream

if they want the good young F they’ll need to make the selection for that player or use the pick in a swap for such. The player we’ve already driven off the lot with the flaws exposed isn’t going to get a player without massive question marks. We don’t need another Norris 

 

[Thorny]

What I’m trying to say is there is a very, real scenario where there’s no perfect option. A very real scenario where bending on “BPA” is the best option. You can’t just adhere to the parameters blindly that aren’t getting you anywhere. It would be delusional to think the perfect trade exists and in the same vein foolish to rule out the idea we may need to squint at the margins a bit to ensure we draft a high potential F

yes, maybe the guy you take is a 88/100 on your board and you have a dman at 90/100 but the handcuff your self impose by prioritizing the extra 2/100 would in fact be more detrimental 

the sabres are GOING to take a hit in the trade, if they can even make one. You can’t pie in the sky the reality if you actually care about the results. Would absolutely make sense to consider you may lose less value simply by “reaching” for a F. You can’t pretend all else is equal in terms of being able to recoup the value later if you naively adhered to hardline drafting rules.

BPA works in theory. The theory doesn’t amount to anything if you allow the randomness of the system to supersede your ability to build a team. It’s no good allowing randomness and luck in combination with your self imposed rigidity to result in a scenario where you simply don’t ever come away with the F. It would be more beneficial to relax on some of the rigidity and take your chances with a forward: the scenario where you continually take a D and “worry about the rest later” doesn’t maximize the assets either: that’s the myth 

Edited 17 hours ago by Thorny

[DarthEbriate]

2 hours ago, Thorny said:

Live look in at a Sabres team that has averaged 78 points per season under Adams for 5 straight years

Year 6 current: 77 points

a shocking turn of events to be sure 

I imagine Adams leads his call with Pegula early this week: Despite the injuries and taxes, we're just one win shy of .500.

[Thorny]

2 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

I imagine Adams leads his call with Pegula early this week: Despite the injuries and taxes, we're just one win shy of .500.

The attempt by my roster has left us scarred and deformed, but I assure you my resolve has never been stronger.

[inkman]

8 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

With this 6th goal and 11th point in 15, here is another example of a teenager not being to help his team win

How many time are we going to go down this road?  Just perpetually rebuild until our teenagers make a difference. That was supposed to be Dahlin & Power.  The two worst first overall picks since Yakapov.  

[LGR4GM]

8 minutes ago, inkman said:

How many time are we going to go down this road?  Just perpetually rebuild until our teenagers make a difference. That was supposed to be Dahlin & Power.  The two worst first overall picks since Yakapov.  

Stop. Rasmus Dahlin is excellent and has been for awhile. Hyperbole is unhinged. 

Power should never have been a 1st overall pick and somewhere there is an entire thread where I argue that and get yelled at because "He's the concensus 1st overall" 

What's your alternative to rebuild? Keep those guys until they figure it out? Trade a couple of them to bring in guys the same age with roughly the same talent? What do we do?

[mjd1001]

29 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Stop. Rasmus Dahlin is excellent and has been for awhile. Hyperbole is unhinged. 

Power should never have been a 1st overall pick and somewhere there is an entire thread where I argue that and get yelled at because "He's the concensus 1st overall" 

What's your alternative to rebuild? Keep those guys until they figure it out? Trade a couple of them to bring in guys the same age with roughly the same talent? What do we do?

I agree with you for the most part. 

Dahlin, not this year but for most of the past 3 years he plays like a top 10 defenseman in the league. And if he had a better team around him, a forward group that put the puck into the net and made him look better on the back end... Where he had more assists and possibly took pressure off him where he had more goals, with his talent and how well he does play, not counting this year so far, hed be considered one of the best elite defenseman in the league. Norris trophy finalist if not eventual winner.

As for Power, he was the number one pick in a pretty weak draft.. not only that, but one of the drafts coming out of covid where you didn't have a ton of scouting. 

I would think Power in most drafts would be a guy picked between number 3 and number 6. And if that was the case there probably would be a little bit more leeway for him, less pressure to perform, less heat from the fan base. 

Not everyone, but a lot of guys picked three to five picks lower than him are given a few years to grow into what they're supposed to be with slightly lower expectations.

Edited 8 hours ago by mjd1001

[inkman]

33 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Stop. Rasmus Dahlin is excellent and has been for awhile. Hyperbole is unhinged. 

Power should never have been a 1st overall pick and somewhere there is an entire thread where I argue that and get yelled at because "He's the concensus 1st overall" 

What's your alternative to rebuild? Keep those guys until they figure it out? Trade a couple of them to bring in guys the same age with roughly the same talent? What do we do?

Until Rasmus eliminated the most poorly timed unforced errors that directly lead to opponents goals, I won’t put him in the elite category.  His metrics are great but he makes unforgivable errors every game.  What is this, year 8? He can’t keep doing it.  Power is garbage.  You’ve always been in the right with him.  Can’t argue there.  
 

They need to identify young players they can build around, purge the roster of the passengers and create a plan to build an actual hockey roster. The more I watch, the more I don’t think Tage is a block you can build with.  I’ll spare any further Dahlin talk but I don’t think he’s a leader or captain material.  
 

 

[LGR4GM]

16 minutes ago, inkman said:

Until Rasmus eliminated the most poorly timed unforced errors that directly lead to opponents goals, I won’t put him in the elite category.  His metrics are great but he makes unforgivable errors every game.  What is this, year 8? He can’t keep doing it.  Power is garbage.  You’ve always been in the right with him.  Can’t argue there.  
 

They need to identify young players they can build around, purge the roster of the passengers and create a plan to build an actual hockey roster. The more I watch, the more I don’t think Tage is a block you can build with.  I’ll spare any further Dahlin talk but I don’t think he’s a leader or captain material.  
 

 

I thumbs down because of Dahlin, I think you're wrong. 

I agree on Thompson. 

[inkman]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

I thumbs down because of Dahlin, I think you're wrong. 

I agree on Thompson. 

I’ve slowly been coming to Dahlin’s defense throughout the years.  Maybe he’s great and it’s just nit picky stuff that mouse potatoes like me like to needle. I just want a number one defenseman that we can count on in all situations.  Not one who I’m terrified of on the ice in OT because he decides to do some low probably stuff in his own defensive zone consistently.  

[Crusader1969]

3 hours ago, inkman said:

How many time are we going to go down this road?  Just perpetually rebuild until our teenagers make a difference. That was supposed to be Dahlin & Power.  The two worst first overall picks since Yakapov.  

You are insane if you actually believe that 

[Crusader1969]

Another teenager unable to help his team 

 

[DarthEbriate]

19 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Another teenager unable to help his team 

Yes, and like other young teams that may scuffle throughout his ELC and first 5 years of his big extension (Colorado w/ MacKinnon, Florida w/ Barkov)...  SJ isn't going to trade him for futures. They'll build around him until they get it right.

[GASabresIUFAN]

Do we really want another player from Whitehorse, YT?

[Crusader1969]

1 hour ago, DarthEbriate said:

Yes, and like other young teams that may scuffle throughout his ELC and first 5 years of his big extension (Colorado w/ MacKinnon, Florida w/ Barkov)...  SJ isn't going to trade him for futures. They'll build around him until they get it right.

As I always say "only a Mickey Mouse Fanchise would trade away a legit 1C"