What senior leadership (if any) does Terry move on from in 2025/26?

[Mango]

Curious of the perspective of both Sabres and Bills fans right now. 

It should be Kevyn Adams and it should have been done at least 365 days ago. 

My money is on Terry running it back with all 3. 

(I spared Lindy on this list, because his contract is up anyways. He isn't coaching anybody in 26-27. He would just be a scapegoat)

[LGR4GM]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

Curious of the perspective of both Sabres and Bills fans right now. 

It should be Kevyn Adams and it should have been done at least 365 days ago. 

My money is on Terry running it back with all 3. 

(I spared Lindy on this list, because his contract is up anyways. He isn't coaching anybody in 26-27. He would just be a scapegoat)

Nah, Kevyn is out and I think Kevyn and Terry already agreed to give it one more go. They'll promote Kekalainen or Karmanos. 

Beane and McDermott ain't going anywhere. 

[DarthEbriate]

Everything is proceeding as Sheevyn has foreseen.

Jarmo to GM. Adams to POHO. Ruff to Senior Advisor. Appert to HC.

The question then is: does Jarmo have enough clout (or just patience) to enact his vision and trades without having to simply do as Adams/Pegula want? Will he storm out Lafontaine-style or will he rebel Boterill-style and get fired for not listening? And how soon can he turn this return gig with a dysfunctional leadership into a stable, real GM job on another franchise? 

[#freejame]

Kevyn is a lame duck. He might stay with the org but he’s not our GM next season. McBeane are here as long as Allen puts up with this bs. 

[Mango]

6 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Everything is proceeding as Sheevyn has foreseen.

Jarmo to GM. Adams to POHO. Ruff to Senior Advisor. Appert to HC.

The question then is: does Jarmo have enough clout (or just patience) to enact his vision and trades without having to simply do as Adams/Pegula want? Will he storm out Lafontaine-style or will he rebel Boterill-style and get fired for not listening? And how soon can he turn this return gig with a dysfunctional leadership into a stable, real GM job on another franchise? 

If Adams is moved to POHO I don't think it's Jarmo, I think it's Forton as GM

[DarthEbriate]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

If Adams is moved to POHO I don't think it's Jarmo, I think it's Forton as GM

Certainly, there's potential for that --- particularly if Jarmo balks at the structure/approval process. Or, if they see him as a scapegoat for negotiation failures with Peterka (or Tuch/Benson later), etc. Pegula wants to be surrounded by his yes-buddies.

[Carmel Corn]

The owner fool values loyalty over performance.

Edited 6 hours ago by Carmel Corn

[Mango]

I think this org either wants somebody like Jarmo in charge or they want somebody like Adams in charge. They will either stick with the plan with Adams in the Hockey Ops C-Suite or they won't. 

I don't think there is a grey area where they hire a real life NHL professional to roll up to Kevyn Adams. 

[Pimlach]

Kevyn is out, the only concern is he moved into another job, which would not be a smart move.  

He will not touch Beane and McD.   They will be accountable for the teams record and they will also have a plan on how to improve.  Terry will concur, which is the smart move for him.    

[Flashsabre]

Man I would give anything for the videos of the 3 days of presentations Kevyn gave Terry in the offseason to save his job. Was this start part of the plan?😁

[Pimlach]

32 minutes ago, Mango said:

If Adams is moved to POHO I don't think it's Jarmo, I think it's Forton as GM

Forton would be a worse choice than Karmanos or Jarmo. 

I think Karmanos will move on if he isn't given the GM job.   His AGM role includes being the GM of Rochester and I think that will get him some looks in more desirable places.  

[Pimlach]

44 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Everything is proceeding as Sheevyn has foreseen.

Jarmo to GM. Adams to POHO. Ruff to Senior Advisor. Appert to HC.

The question then is: does Jarmo have enough clout (or just patience) to enact his vision and trades without having to simply do as Adams/Pegula want? Will he storm out Lafontaine-style or will he rebel Boterill-style and get fired for not listening? And how soon can he turn this return gig with a dysfunctional leadership into a stable, real GM job on another franchise? 

Fire Adams and Ruff.  I know that is going to hard for Terry.   Maybe Ruff has an advisory role.  

Hire Jarmo to GM.  Hire DeBoer.   Let them do their jobs just like Beane and McDermott.  

Let DeBoer, or whoever the coach is, build his own coaching staff of his people.  

Let Jarmo add his own AGM(s) and Advisors.    Jarmo gave Bill Zito a chance as AGM, Zito was a players agent prior to that.   Pegula interviewed Zito, twice.   

Has Adams or Ruff ever done anything like that?   Maybe this Jarmo guy knows what to look for? 

Take a shot Terry. 

[Porous Five Hole]

48 minutes ago, Mango said:

If Adams is moved to POHO I don't think it's Jarmo, I think it's Forton as GM

It would be weird to turn the keys over to a guy who has never done the job before versus a guy that has.  

[Porous Five Hole]

KA doesn’t have a contract next year so he may not be re-signed. Is that the same as firing? If so, it’s him.

I think Ruff and KA go out together on expiring contracts at the end of the year.  

[Mango]

32 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Forton would be a worse choice than Karmanos or Jarmo. 

I think Karmanos will move on if he isn't given the GM job.   His AGM role includes being the GM of Rochester and I think that will get him some looks in more desirable places.  

I didn't say Forton was a good choice, just that I thought it would be likely if they stick with Adams in hockey ops. 

Forton is a worse choice than just about any other candidate that has been considered for any other NHL GM position for any other orginzation in the last ....well ever. 

[Mr Peabody]

13 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

KA doesn’t have a contract next year so he may not be re-signed. Is that the same as firing? If so, it’s him.

I think Ruff and KA go out together on expiring contracts at the end of the year.  

I would have thought this also but the players seem checked out in Lindy already. I’ve not heard of any player complementing him and the team is playing too tight.  Reminds me of Ralph hockey.   Outside  coach isn’t coming into this mess with a lame duck GM so it’ll be Appert for the remainder of the season.  Next GM will interview current staff and outsiders. IMO. 

[Mango]

22 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

It would be weird to turn the keys over to a guy who has never done the job before versus a guy that has.  

 

I totally agree with you. 

I am not saying it is a good decision. Or even a sensical one. I just think that if Terry is going to keep Adams in hockey ops rather than cut him loose then they are ultimately keeping the same vision and plan, just shuffling chairs. So if Adams goes to POHO, then the likely decision for Pegula is Forton and Appert. 

My totally uneducated opinion is that in order for somebody like Jarmo to be hired as GM, and Appert not become HC, then Adams needs to be out of the building. Adams being in the building means business as usual. 

To be clear. I hate that outcome. 

[Pimlach]

22 minutes ago, Mango said:

I didn't say Forton was a good choice, just that I thought it would be likely if they stick with Adams in hockey ops. 

Forton is a worse choice than just about any other candidate that has been considered for any other NHL GM position for any other orginzation in the last ....well ever. 

Actually Forton is probably more qualified today than Adams was when he took the reins.  

Edited 5 hours ago by Pimlach

[DarthEbriate]

8 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Actually Forton is probably more qualified today than Adams was when he took the reins.  

https://www.eliteprospects.com/staff/7166/jerry-forton   

https://www.eliteprospects.com/staff/3219/kevyn-adams

[Porous Five Hole]

8 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Actually Forton is probably more qualified today than Adams was when he took the reins.  

Goodness, you’re right and that makes me want to 🤮. 
 

 

 

[Flashsabre]

How f’n pathetic is it that IF they move on from Adams then it is just choosing in house options that are already part of the mess, because they don’t want to spend money on qualified people. 
 

They will fire Ruff, promote Appert to HC, draft 4th OA and call it a day

[SABRES 0311]

How can you be so successful as a business man without knowing basic leadership?

This guy sucks and I’m wondering if actual intelligent people made the business moves for him.

[Thorny]

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Nah, Kevyn is out and I think Kevyn and Terry already agreed to give it one more go. They'll promote Kekalainen or Karmanos. 

Beane and McDermott ain't going anywhere. 

One more go, if not for the rash of injuries. Can we even count that as a full, real “go” of it? One more chance next year I say. As long as there’s no funny business 

[Thorny]

3 hours ago, Mango said:

 

I totally agree with you. 

I am not saying it is a good decision. Or even a sensical one. I just think that if Terry is going to keep Adams in hockey ops rather than cut him loose then they are ultimately keeping the same vision and plan, just shuffling chairs. So if Adams goes to POHO, then the likely decision for Pegula is Forton and Appert. 

My totally uneducated opinion is that in order for somebody like Jarmo to be hired as GM, and Appert not become HC, then Adams needs to be out of the building. Adams being in the building means business as usual. 

To be clear. I hate that outcome. 

It could also just be a reflection of how much Terry legitimately likes Adams and therefore wants to keep him on in some capacity rather than a desire to actually continue implementing the ideas Adams brought forth. Ie I do think there are positions in the org that pay well yet don’t have much actual influence 

[Mango]

15 minutes ago, Thorny said:

It could also just be a reflection of how much Terry legitimately likes Adams and therefore wants to keep him on in some capacity rather than a desire to actually continue implementing the ideas Adams brought forth. Ie I do think there are positions in the org that pay well yet don’t have much actual influence 

2 things.

1. I did specify hockey ops
2. Even outside of hockey ops, reconstituting somebody like Adams, who failed so hard at his job is a decision that solidifies the idea that they haven't taken a complete honest inventory of the situation.

At that point Adams might as well be blood related and actually be a nepo baby. Because Adams has next to no value add to the org in any capacity outside of likability to Terrance Pegula. And having guys around that Terrance likes vs who is doing a good job is exactly how we got here in the first place.

Adams history with Pegula as a lowly video guy who got to chirp in the owners ear makes it impossible to keep him around.

There's no world where keeping Adams in the building is a good idea.

ZERO.