Sabres sign Connor Timmins to a 2 year 2.2 Million Dollar AAV contract

[Brawndo]

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Brawndo

[Taro T]

3 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

 

 

That's a bit more than this kid expected, but not completely out of line.  (Was expecting more like $1.5MM.)

 

Leaves them just a bit over $5MM with a full 23 player roster.

Now go get Roslovic or make another move.

[Archie Lee]

Move out Quinn and they have over $8 million in space to add a legit veteran top-6 forward. 

[Porous Five Hole]

Saved a bit more than a million bucks by moving Clifton out and inserting Timmons to the third pair.  Kevyn always be saving. 

[ponokasabre]

A little high AAV but I still like it, I think he is gonna be really solid 

 

5 million left, have to sign Levi. Still room for a Roslovic or a mid level top 6 add 

[Archie Lee]

4 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Saved a bit more than a million bucks by moving Clifton out and inserting Timmons to the third pair.  Kevyn always be saving. 

If Adams hadn’t done that, we would have been so screwed if Byram had received an $11 million offer-sheet.

[Porous Five Hole]

Just now, Archie Lee said:

If Adams hadn’t done that, we would have been so screwed if Byram had received an $11 million offer-sheet.

lol I like Bo as a player, but who was signing him for $11M? Plus give up two firsts, a second, and a third?

I know you’re not a GMKA guy, but I absolutely don’t buy into the offer sheet hype as the reason why the Sabres were not aggressive with their cap space. 

[LGR4GM]

Ok, guess the roster is set 

[Archie Lee]

Just now, Porous Five Hole said:

lol I like Bo as a player, but who was signing him for $11M? Plus give up two firsts, a second, and a third?

I know you’re not a GMKA guy, but I absolutely don’t buy into the offer sheet hype as the reason why the Sabres were not aggressive with their cap space. 

Exactly…on every point. 

[shrader]

So are we still outraged and using the arbitration filing as a sign of front office incompetence?

[Porous Five Hole]

Just now, Archie Lee said:

Exactly…on every point. 

lol gotchu now. 🍻

[LGR4GM]

4 minutes ago, shrader said:

So are we still outraged and using the arbitration filing as a sign of front office incompetence?

Signing Timmins while releasing JBD but keeping Bryson is still incompetent. 

[shrader]

5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Signing Timmins while releasing JBD but keeping Bryson is still incompetent. 

That’s what we call moving the goalposts. 

[Broken Ankles]

What is the point in signing before arbitration unless you think the results would yield a potentially higher AAV award?  So was he somehow going to get MORE than $2.2M annually if they let it play out?  Or just bad negotiating by Adams…again?  If I assume he was a portion of the second round pick collateral to Pittsburgh (Clifton cap dump being the other), and if JBD would have gone to arbitration and that process yielded say $1.5m- $1.8m, are the Sabres better off with Timmons at $2.2m or with JBD, the draft capital (whatever it may be) plus the additional cap space (not that it would be used)?

[shrader]

3 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

What is the point in signing before arbitration unless you think the results would yield a potentially higher AAV award?  So was he somehow going to get MORE than $2.2M annually if they let it play out?  Or just bad negotiating by Adams…again?  If I assume he was a portion of the second round pick collateral to Pittsburgh (Clifton cap dump being the other), and if JBD would have gone to arbitration and that process yielded say $1.5m- $1.8m, are the Sabres better off with Timmons at $2.2m or with JBD, the draft capital (whatever it may be) plus the additional cap space (not that it would be used)?

He would have been a UFA after one year. This 2 year contract does buy into one year or that. But also, signing before the hearing avoids the massive headache that process is. That’s a huge plus for both sides. 

[Porous Five Hole]

39 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

That's a bit more than this kid expected, but not completely out of line.  (Was expecting more like $1.5MM.)

 

Leaves them just a bit over $5MM with a full 23 player roster.

Now go get Roslovic or make another move.

How does Victor Oloffson sound? 😬

There’s not much available out there…

[Jorcus]

AFP analytics on cap wages had Timmins at 2x2.67M projected. Not sure why it was that much. Pretty far off of what he got. 

[LGR4GM]

16 minutes ago, shrader said:

That’s what we call moving the goalposts. 

The gm said they didn't want to do arbitration with JBD and then signed a bad player and allowed another player to file for arbitration b4 signing him. It's not moving the goalposts, it's recognizing incompetent decision making. 

[pi2000]

won the off-season 

[Taro T]

8 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

How does Victor Oloffson sound? 😬

There’s not much available out there…

Roslovic is still available.

Rust &/or Rackell are supposedly still on the trade block from the Pens.  Would probably need Pittsburgh to retain a smidge to have some flexibility as injuries pile up, but they could make any of those work.

[oddoublee]

37 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

A little high AAV but I still like it, I think he is gonna be really solid 

 

5 million left, have to sign Levi. Still room for a Roslovic or a mid level top 6 add 

I'm no roslovic expert...but my understanding is his D is awful. Do we really want to add that to 'this' roster? 

I believe Adams is done and this is the team.....unfortunately

[shrader]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

The gm said they didn't want to do arbitration with JBD and then signed a bad player and allowed another player to file for arbitration b4 signing him. It's not moving the goalposts, it's recognizing incompetent decision making. 

There’s plenty of incompetence to go around. My issue is that we start blindly labeling every single thing that way. Timmins, and pretty much every single player that did so this year, is completely meaningless. There’s maybe 3 left at this point, they all got deals done. Filing is essentially just a formality at this point. Pretty much nothing goes to a hearing anymore. 

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, shrader said:

There’s plenty of incompetence to go around. My issue is that we start blindly labeling every single thing that way. Timmins, and pretty much every single player that did so this year, is completely meaningless. There’s maybe 3 left at this point, they all got deals done. Filing is essentially just a formality at this point. Pretty much nothing goes to a hearing anymore. 

Now this is goalposts moving. You think the issue is Timmins? No, it's that they let a guy go because "what if he files for arbitration!?" Which was the gms rationale only to sign a guy who immediately filed for arbitration. It's hilarious and bad decision making because as you point out, they all sign anyways. 

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, shrader said:

There’s plenty of incompetence to go around. My issue is that we start blindly labeling every single thing that way. Timmins, and pretty much every single player that did so this year, is completely meaningless. There’s maybe 3 left at this point, they all got deals done. Filing is essentially just a formality at this point. Pretty much nothing goes to a hearing anymore. 

Pretty sure, though, that is his point.  Having retained Bernard-Docker even at the risk of him ending up with a Timmons contract (or more likely what we'd've expected Timmons contract to be, not the one coming in at over $2MM/yr) knowing how well he and Power looked at the end of the year rather than bringing Bryson back would've resulted in a better defense at least on paper than what they have now with Bryson as the spare.

Because they very likely could've come to an agreement with JBD prior to reaching arbitration.

[LGR4GM]

The gm was afraid of arbitration. We know because of his words and actions. That's hilarious because it's a formality in 19 out of 20 cases.