Goaltending is still the issue...

[Shootica]

I haven't seen/heard the segment, but apparently Friedman has us as the expected landing spot for Alex Lyon.

Edited 8 hours ago by Shootica

[Turbo44]

1 hour ago, Shootica said:

I haven't seen/heard the segment, but apparently Friedman has us as the expected landing spot for Alex Lyon.

WGR is reporting it as more of a sure thing - Lyon is the guy FLA rode into the playoffs - couple of years ago. He’s a solid player who can push UPL, better than Reimer - maybe better than UPL tbh. Won’t cost much, expected contact 2 years 1.8m per year. Bunched with samsonov and Georgiev as the 2nd best goalie available behind Allen. He’s definitely my 2nd favorite behind Allen and Allen will cost between 2 and 3x, so should be a good value signing 

[Shootica]

His stats from the past couple years in Detroit are pretty unassuming but I haven't taken the time to actually watch him play.  My initial read on it is he's good enough to comfortably hold down the backup role but not someone who will prevent Levi from earning that spot.

This sits much better with me than going into the year with UPL-Levi as our two goalies.

[Turbo44]

7 minutes ago, Shootica said:

His stats from the past couple years in Detroit are pretty unassuming but I haven't taken the time to actually watch him play.  My initial read on it is he's good enough to comfortably hold down the backup role but not someone who will prevent Levi from earning that spot.

This sits much better with me than going into the year with UPL-Levi as our two goalies.

Agreed on all counts 

[LabattBlue]

Is UPL-Lyon-Levi any better than…

 

UPL-Reimer-Levi?

or

UPL-Anderson-Levi?

 

Just another roster issue that KA cannot fix. 😞

 

[Shootica]

Just now, LabattBlue said:

Is UPL-Lyon-Levi any better than…

 

UPL-Reimer-Levi?

or

UPL-Anderson-Levi?

 

Just another roster issue that KA cannot fix. 😞

 

Not substantially.  But Lyon will likely be able to handle a larger workload than those two before wearing down, which has its benefits.

[PromoTheRobot]

4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Is UPL-Lyon-Levi any better than…

 

UPL-Reimer-Levi?

or

UPL-Anderson-Levi?

 

Just another roster issue that KA cannot fix. 😞

 

Because teams don't trade good goalies. They trade ones with questions.

[Taro T]

33 minutes ago, Shootica said:

Not substantially.  But Lyon will likely be able to handle a larger workload than those two before wearing down, which has its benefits.

OR they figure that Lyon has a better chance of passing through waivers when Levi outplays him in TC than Reimer did.  So, when one of UPL or Levi spit the bit they'll be able to get him back onto the parent club in October rather than having to wait for whoever took him off the waiver wire to send him through waivers themselves in November.

Edited 5 hours ago by Taro T

[LabattBlue]

59 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Because teams don't trade good goalies. They trade ones with questions.

Then how does one find a “good goalie”?   That’s right…trade, draft or f/a.  Responsibilities of an NHL GM…assuming your team has hired a legitimate one. 😉

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Is UPL-Lyon-Levi any better than…

UPL-Reimer-Levi?

or

UPL-Anderson-Levi?

Just another roster issue that KA cannot fix. 😞

If Luukkonen or Levi have improved their game (overall) the last couple seasons, then the answer would be yes. UPL had a regression last season for sure, but I'd take 2024-25 UPL over 2022-23 UPL (although they won his starts, they needed to score 5 to do it).

But it is crazy how Adams undervalues the goalie position on a team that's supposedly trying to get good. (And I like Levi's potential.) But he's signed experienced backups to be backups to backup-caliber goalies [at this point in their career] for his entire tenure. Adam has had 1 starting-caliber goalie in his entire tenure and he let Ullmark walk in free agency.

[Taro T]

23 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

If Luukkonen or Levi have improved their game (overall) the last couple seasons, then the answer would be yes. UPL had a regression last season for sure, but I'd take 2024-25 UPL over 2022-23 UPL (although they won his starts, they needed to score 5 to do it).

But it is crazy how Adams undervalues the goalie position on a team that's supposedly trying to get good. (And I like Levi's potential.) But he's signed experienced backups to be backups to backup-caliber goalies [at this point in their career] for his entire tenure. Adam has had 1 starting-caliber goalie in his entire tenure and he let Ullmark walk in free agency.

Again, when you realize that is EXACTLY what he had behind him the year he was a 4th liner on a SC winning squad, it makes sense that he doesn't see the need for a Hasek or a Miller backstopping the crew.

[DarthEbriate]

17 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Again, when you realize that is EXACTLY what he had behind him the year he was a 4th liner on a SC winning squad, it makes sense that he doesn't see the need for a Hasek or a Miller backstopping the crew.

And then he assistant-coached a Sabres squad that had Miller/Enroth and Vanek and...  Drew Stafford's best season, though the goals probably all came in 3 games...  the last time the Sabres made the playoffs. But they had goaltending.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Then how does one find a “good goalie”?   That’s right…trade, draft or f/a.  Responsibilities of an NHL GM…assuming your team has hired a legitimate one. 😉

And apparently we are getting Jake Allen, who you said isn't good enough. Okay, who then?

[LabattBlue]

18 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

And apparently we are getting Jake Allen, who you said isn't good enough. Okay, who then?

Huh?  I haven’t said anything about Allen, good or bad.  Feel free to carry on.  
 

PS Not my job to identify a starting goalie, but I am sure if I had 6 years to do it, they would better than UPL-Lyon-Levi. 

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, DarthEbriate said:

And then he assistant-coached a Sabres squad that had Miller/Enroth and Vanek and...  Drew Stafford's best season, though the goals probably all came in 3 games...  the last time the Sabres made the playoffs. But they had goaltending.

And apparently he took the lesson from that and from beating the Sabres in '06 that having a good goalie doesn't guarantee you anything if you suffer serious injuries to your top players.  So, don't bother getting a top goalie.  😞 

[Mr Peabody]

Jake Allen at $1.8M stays in NJ.  

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Huh?  I haven’t said anything about Allen, good or bad.

Is this you?

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Is UPL-Lyon-Levi any better than…
UPL-Reimer-Levi?
or
UPL-Anderson-Levi?

Are you not saying Lyon is no better than Reimer?

[LabattBlue]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

Is this you?

Are you not saying Lyon is no better than Reimer?

What does that have to do with Allen and my “alleged” comments about him? You are so worried about shitting all over the fanbase, you have yourself confused.   Not sure why I even try with you.   Impossible to converse with a super fan like yourself when you are on a pedestal so high above the average poster.  
 

I will resist the temptation going forward.

 

 

 

[Pimlach]

4 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Is UPL-Lyon-Levi any better than…

UPL-Reimer-Levi?

or

UPL-Anderson-Levi?

Just another roster issue that KA cannot fix. 😞

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

What does that have to do with Allen and my “alleged” comments about him? You are so worried about shitting all over the fanbase, you have yourself confused.   Not sure why I even try with you.   Impossible to converse with a super fan like yourself when you are on a pedestal so high above the average poster.  
 

I will resist the temptation going forward.

 

 

 

Let's review:

1) You rhetorically ask if the current goalie tandem is any better than any former tandems. You then blame Adams for the problem.

2) I point out that teams generally don't trade quality goalies because they are so valuable.

3) You deny saying what you said and you insult me, bringing up the fanbase when they were not part of the conversation. (Typical deflection move when you are losing an argument.)

It's ironic how you hate every move Adams makes yet you can't name a better one. What goalie that was out there is demonstrably better? Demko? Stayed in Vancouver. Allen? Stayed in NJ. Since you are so certain of who is good and who isn't, it should be an easy question to answer. Who would you have signed? I'll wait.

[Thorny]

3 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Then how does one find a “good goalie”?   That’s right…trade, draft or f/a.  Responsibilities of an NHL GM…assuming your team has hired a legitimate one. 😉

It’s only been 6 seasons. WCKAHED?