Chad D: expect a Byram trade at or around the draft

[Eleven]

12 minutes ago, CTJoe said:

Exactly!!  Byram with Dahlin works and I think Kesselring with Power could work.  I know Byram wants PP time, but too bad, he's under team control.  Keep Byram, sign ehlers = great offseason, or at least good offseason

 

2 minutes ago, CTJoe said:

Maybe, but, Adams has done a disservice to Power with whom he's partnered him with.  I don't like the fact Power is a giant with no physicality but he deserves to reserve judgment until he's played with a solid partner for a while.

Correct on both counts and I think, also, folks forget that Power is still 22.  

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[Rasmus_]

2 minutes ago, CTJoe said:

Maybe, but, Adams has done a disservice to Power with whom he's partnered him with.  I don't like the fact Power is a giant with no physicality but he deserves to reserve judgment until he's played with a solid partner for a while.

Again a problem with Adams.  His weaknesses are systemic, he signs and stands with his players to a hilt (see Samuelsson).  How offended he got during the presser over some imaginary contemplation of our ability to buy him out at a microcosm of the total cap hit. 

[CTJoe]

Just now, SabreFinn said:

Penguins need a LD and we need veteran leadership. A Stanley cup winner on a cheap contract is a fit to me.

Where's Rust playing?  If he was a LWer he'd at least be a fit.  An old RWer with inflated stats cuz he played with Sid, but still managed to be -22 = pass.  Tard Byram for him and we still have holes at #1 LD, #1 RW, Goalie.  Holding onto Byram, at least we have #1LD filled. Trades that create more holes = not good

3 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said:

Been saying the same thing but we are in the minority. I also don't understand the idea of McLeod as 2C, Norris as 1C. Why, so we can complain about missing the playoffs again?

Then there's the unwillingness to trade certain prospects because what we think they might become someday at an unknown point in the future. It's like we want to get better but don't want to pay the price of getting better because we are worried about the future when we don't even have a present.

Kulich is your 2C, McLeod is a fine 3C

[CTJoe]

3 minutes ago, Eleven said:

 

Correct on both counts and I think, also, folks forget that Power is still 22.  

Yep - It took Dahlin quite a long time to figure things out too

[Mr. Allen]

7 minutes ago, SabreFinn said:

Penguins need a LD and we need veteran leadership. A Stanley cup winner on a cheap contract is a fit to me.

The value is terrible. 

[DarthEbriate]

34 minutes ago, CTJoe said:

Exactly!!  Byram with Dahlin works and I think Kesselring with Power could work.  I know Byram wants PP time, but too bad, he's under team control.  Keep Byram, sign ehlers = great offseason, or at least good offseason

This is where I'm at after the Kesselring move. There wasn't a plan when he was acquired, but now, Byram has a valid spot on the roster.

"Hey, here's a bridge that takes you to UFA. No, you might not get a bunch of PP time -- sorry. But guess what, you get to play on the top pairing with Rasmus ######' Dahlin and get all the O-zone starts you can stomach and matching against the opposition's best for 23:00 per night. When you get to UFA, you can ask for $10M+. In the meantime, help us end this drought."

[Thorny]

Kevin (smartie pants) of sabres twitter mentioned something I didn’t think of: Byram’s market shrinking over night likely the result of teams seeing the perceived low-ball offers we took in our last 2 trades - teams can see we sell for objectively less value than worth because of $ prioritization 

Thankfully we know better. And thankful we don’t need a good return for Byram. Can just keep him, pay him, and I’m sure Kulich and Norris and co can hold down what I’m given to understand is an elite offence 

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[CTJoe]

2 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

This is where I'm at after the Kesselring move. There wasn't a plan when he was acquired, but now, Byram has a valid spot on the roster.

"Hey, here's a bridge that takes you to UFA. No, you might not get a bunch of PP time -- sorry. But guess what, you get to play on the top pairing with Rasmus ######' Dahlin and get all the O-zone starts you can stomach and matching against the opposition's best for 23:00 per night. When you get to UFA, you can ask for $10M+. In the meantime, help us end this drought."

Bingo!!  Bridge him or sign longer term (who wouldn't want to play with Dahlin), heck, even give him some 2nd line PP minutes (it's not like our PP was stellar last year). As for you LWer sign Ehlers or ,,,,,,gasp Marchant

[Eleven]

5 minutes ago, CTJoe said:

Bingo!!  Bridge him or sign longer term (who wouldn't want to play with Dahlin), heck, even give him some 2nd line PP minutes (it's not like our PP was stellar last year). As for you LWer sign Ehlers or ,,,,,,gasp Marchant

He can have all the 2PP minutes he wants as far as I'm concerned.  

[Brawndo]

10 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Kevin (smartie pants) of sabres twitter mentioned something I didn’t think of: Byram’s market shrinking over night likely the result of teams seeing the perceived low-ball offers we took in our last 2 trades - teams can see we sell for objectively less value than worth because of $ prioritization 

Thankfully we know better. And thankful we don’t need a good return for Byram. Can just keep him, pay him, and I’m sure Kulich and Norris and co can hold down what I’m given to understand is an elite offence 

If it’s gets to 7/1, a short term (1-2 years) extension become more and more likely

[Thorny]

1 minute ago, Brawndo said:

If it’s gets to 7/1, a short term (1-2 years) extension become more and more likely

Wouldn’t be a bad move given the corner we’ve boxed ourselves into. Forwards will be unsalvageable if we can’t deal Byram for a legit top 6 dude so might as well double down on D and try to defend our way to the playoffs. Issue for me there is goaltending - could be a huge handcuff when we can’t outscore our issues 

[CTJoe]

WGR guys talking about rumors of PIT trading #12 and Rust to us for #9.  I could live with that and PIT needs to cut salary

[Brawndo]

The Sabres are probably adding Helenius to that though 

[Eleven]

1 minute ago, CTJoe said:

WGR guys talking about rumors of PIT trading #12 and Rust to us for #9.  I could live with that and PIT needs to cut salary

That would be a very worthwhile use of #9.

Just now, Brawndo said:

The Sabres are probably adding Helenius to that though 

Then no.

[CTJoe]

2 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

The Sabres are probably adding Helenius to that though 

Hard no

[Brawndo]

3 minutes ago, Eleven said:

That would be a very worthwhile use of #9.

Then no.

 

Just now, CTJoe said:

Hard no

I agree wholeheartedly, it’s probably happening unfortunately 

[Thorny]

Do it, absolutely. A negligible swap of picks, a superfluous prospect, for a legitimate top 6 winger?

This one will get kudos from me should it come to pass 

[Eleven]

1 minute ago, Brawndo said:

 

I agree wholeheartedly, it’s probably happening unfortunately 

I've wanted Adams fired since the day before he was hired.  If this happens, arson is a possible option for me.

Just now, Thorny said:

Do it, absolutely. A negligible swap of picks, a superfluous prospect, for a legitimate top 6 winger?

This one will get kudos from me should it come to pass 

If the superfluous prospect is Rosen, sure.  Not Konsta. 

[PromoTheRobot]

29 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Kevin (smartie pants) of sabres twitter mentioned something I didn’t think of: Byram’s market shrinking over night likely the result of teams seeing the perceived low-ball offers we took in our last 2 trades - teams can see we sell for objectively less value than worth because of $ prioritization 

Thankfully we know better. And thankful we don’t need a good return for Byram. Can just keep him, pay him, and I’m sure Kulich and Norris and co can hold down what I’m given to understand is an elite offence 

That only works to a point. If you have 8 teams interested, and they really want a player, one will up the offer. Then you have a bidding war. And like you said, the Sabres can just keep Byram for now, so lowball all you want if you're just playing games.

 

3 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

 

I agree wholeheartedly, it’s probably happening unfortunately 

Any evidence or just wishful thinking?

[CTJoe]

1 minute ago, Eleven said:

I've wanted Adams fired since the day before he was hired.  If this happens, arson is a possible option for me.

If the superfluous prospect is Rosen, sure.  Not Konsta. 

Agreed

Dobson trade should open up the Byram market, though, I wouldn't trade him.

 

[Thorny]

6 minutes ago, Eleven said:

I've wanted Adams fired since the day before he was hired.  If this happens, arson is a possible option for me.

If the superfluous prospect is Rosen, sure.  Not Konsta. 

Every prospect is by definition superfluous when you haven’t made the playoffs ever and those prospects have no chance of meaningfully affecting the ETA

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

That only works to a point. If you have 8 teams interested, and they really want a player, one will up the offer. Then you have a bidding war. And like you said, the Sabres can just keep Byram for now, so lowball all you want if you're just playing games.

 

Any evidence or just wishful thinking?

QUOTE MY POST ABOUT HOW I SAID ID LIKE THE TRADE

I double dog dare you 

[Mr. Allen]

Just now, Thorny said:

Every prospect is by definition superfluous when you haven’t made the playoffs ever and those prospects have no chance of meaningfully affecting the ETA

Helenius was taken 13th overall (?) just last year and has proved to be a better value than the pick suggests.  He is worth more than Rust alone.  
I don’t understand when there’s people out there that want to just throw away prospects for little value just because you’re tired of losing. 

[Eleven]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Every prospect is by definition superfluous when you haven’t made the playoffs ever and those prospects have no chance of meaningfully affecting the ETA

I don't argue with that. But the fact that they are superfluous does not make them equal. Some prospects are more valuable than others, and Helenius is a heck of a lot more valuable than Rosen IMO.

[Weave]

3 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Every prospect is by definition superfluous when you haven’t made the playoffs ever and those prospects have no chance of meaningfully affecting the ETA

QUOTE MY POST ABOUT HOW I SAID ID LIKE THE TRADE

I double dog dare you 

[Thorny]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Allen said:

Helenius was taken 13th overall (?) just last year and has proved to be a better value than the pick suggests.  He is worth more than Rust alone.  
I don’t understand when there’s people out there that want to just throw away prospects for little value just because you’re tired of losing. 

You know what I don’t understand?

this board, at all 

you realize Peterka is LEAPS AND BOUNDS beyond the asset that Helenius is? Right? We are ok with dealing a big-time, current scorer for a 4th dman 

But ARENT ok with dealing a damn future for a top 6 guy? 

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Whhyyyyyyyuuu

Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhrrrrrr

3 minutes ago, Weave said:

This

Unironically 

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