Chad D: expect a Byram trade at or around the draft

[ponokasabre]

9 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

https://puckgm.puckpedia.com/rosters/644297

 

How about Chicago as a destination 

I like a bunch of these deals

 

Lafferty for Forbert would be a good swap, gives us a depth tough guy and Lafferty can go back to Vancouver where he had the most success

I have said many times Sammy to Philly for Hathaway or DLO makes so much sense

Byram to Chicago makes sense too, and Murphy would be the guy id want back but I think he has a partial no move

I think Quinn for Hague just makes all the sense in the world casue Vegas needs cheap scorers, I think they could do better the Ryjo for Hague 

Hague also will sign in the 4-5 million range, if it was 2.75 Vegas would keep that all day

I like Sturm but I think Nate Bastian will be a free agent add, he apparently was one of Lindys favorites on New Jersey

[JohnC]

17 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I think I've read on here that he "won" the Eichel trade, and the Reinhart trade, and the Risto trade (actually he probably did win that one), and the Mitts trade and the Cozens trade and he just wins all the trades doesn't he and yet somehow the team doesn't get any better. 

I think he lost them all (except maybe Risto) (McLeod if Savoie never makes it)

Few people would say that KA won those trades. The overwhelming view was that from a talent and competitive standpoint those deals set this franchise back.
 

KA would respond that he was starting a new rebuild and it would be cheaper. Especially because of the smaller financial commitment to the roster from the restart, the owner possessed a long lasting radiant smile. 
 

There will always be a minority view with any transaction. But in the trading of Eichel and Reinhardt the sober members recognized what end of the stick we ended with.

[Thorny]

On 6/11/2025 at 12:26 PM, Ctaeth said:

Im not going to overreact to this one until exact details of a trade become available.  Byram for a late first is a bad trade.  Hopefully they would be getting more for him than that

Mistake.

Live dangerously 

[Thorny]

On 6/11/2025 at 4:07 PM, inkman said:

From a roster building standpoint, trading Mitts for Byram didn’t help much.  From an asset standpoint, they got a highly moveable, valuable asset for a player that appears to be playing his way out of the league. 

People will just say anything nowadays 

playing himself out of the league? Based on what, his production? If that’s the case we only have 6 guys on our entire team pencilled in for next year 

[Thorny]

On 6/11/2025 at 4:58 PM, PerreaultForever said:

That is true in hindsight, but at the time Mitts was not seen that way. 

What it is is revisionist. People are incredibly happy to point out when sabres players do better elsewhere, what, it can’t work the other way? The fact it does on other teams in fact proves it can work in the opposite. Casey was statistically our best F at the time we dealt him - he was demonstrably good, here. If I had to guess if he’s still he that guy, here, if he was, I’d have to say yes 

“Mitts for Byram was good because although Casey produced more for our team Byram is the better trade asset” is last-decade thinking 

get off that treadmill 

Edited 19 hours ago by Thorny

[Thorny]

22 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

KA won the trade.

And, really, does any other calculation matter at this time? 

Had there been a trade Adams *hasn’t* won? Given circumstances? 

I’m not sure we can complain very much that there doesn’t appear to be a correlation between “winning trades” and “winning”. Nay, it’s probably better just to change our goal 

Edited 18 hours ago by Thorny

[PerreaultForever]

4 minutes ago, Thorny said:

What it is is revisionist. People are incredibly happy to point out when sabres players do better elsewhere, what, it can’t work the other way? The fact it does on other teams in fact proves it can work in the opposite. Casey was statistically our best F at the time we dealt him - he was demonstrably good, here. If I had to guess if he’s still he that guy, here, if he was, I’d have to say yes 

“Mitts for Byram was good because although Casey produced more for our team Byram is the better trade asset” is last-decade thinking 

get off that treadmill 

I'm not sure what we are disagreeing on. Since Byram was only here for a year if we do trade him we have to look at what we get there and ultimately that's what we got for Mitts in net terms with Adams in charge. 

I'm actually kind of interested to see what happens to Mitts in Boston. Nothing to do with liking the Bruins just speaking objectively on this point. Colorado thought he could be a 2C and he just never fit and they bailed on him for the presumably more playoff ready Coyle. Now they hate Coyle though so maybe it's something in Colorado? Mitts did not look good end of the Bruins season but that team was a mess in disarray in full on tank mode. How he functions on what appears will be a highly structured shut down defensive team next season is a mystery. I don't think it will go well for him but you never know. 

I personally think Byram is overrated and most of all I think Byram is overrated in Byram's head. Maybe he can thrive somewhere as a top offensive D man but I have my doubts about that too. 

We shall what Adams gets for him. If he's traded. 

[Thorny]

6 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I'm not sure what we are disagreeing on. Since Byram was only here for a year if we do trade him we have to look at what we get there and ultimately that's what we got for Mitts in net terms with Adams in charge. 

I'm actually kind of interested to see what happens to Mitts in Boston. Nothing to do with liking the Bruins just speaking objectively on this point. Colorado thought he could be a 2C and he just never fit and they bailed on him for the presumably more playoff ready Coyle. Now they hate Coyle though so maybe it's something in Colorado? Mitts did not look good end of the Bruins season but that team was a mess in disarray in full on tank mode. How he functions on what appears will be a highly structured shut down defensive team next season is a mystery. I don't think it will go well for him but you never know. 

I personally think Byram is overrated and most of all I think Byram is overrated in Byram's head. Maybe he can thrive somewhere as a top offensive D man but I have my doubts about that too. 

We shall what Adams gets for him. If he's traded. 

I wasn’t disagreeing 

19 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I think I've read on here that he "won" the Eichel trade, and the Reinhart trade, and the Risto trade (actually he probably did win that one), and the Mitts trade and the Cozens trade and he just wins all the trades doesn't he and yet somehow the team doesn't get any better. 

I think he lost them all (except maybe Risto) (McLeod if Savoie never makes it)

But really the more terrifying and accurate explanation is that “winning trades” isn’t very predictive 

[Thorny]

11 hours ago, sabremike said:

If you have a GM with a half decade long track record of being a total ***** up then him making a move that defies all logic is likely the way to bet.

 

[St. Pete Gogolak]

19 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I think I've read on here that he "won" the Eichel trade, and the Reinhart trade, and the Risto trade (actually he probably did win that one), and the Mitts trade and the Cozens trade and he just wins all the trades doesn't he and yet somehow the team doesn't get any better. 

I think he lost them all (except maybe Risto) (McLeod if Savoie never makes it)

Did we really win the Risto trade. What was that? Three years ago? Rosen has zero goals and zero assists in the NHL. Philly has at least gotten three years of a physical, veteran RHD.  Oh yeah, wouldn’t it be nice to have one of those.

[7+6=13]

20 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I think I've read on here that he "won" the Eichel trade, and the Reinhart trade, and the Risto trade (actually he probably did win that one), and the Mitts trade and the Cozens trade and he just wins all the trades doesn't he and yet somehow the team doesn't get any better. 

I think he lost them all (except maybe Risto) (McLeod if Savoie never makes it)

No, he won the Mitts trade.

[7+6=13]

14 hours ago, sabremike said:

He traded an asset for someone who was as useful to the roster as a screen door submarine who he now has to move just over a year later.

How is that a "win"?

It's pretty easy to be honest.  He ended up with the better player, that's more valuable.  You're assessment is incorrect.  

 

So you'd rather have Mitts?  Haha

[7+6=13]

9 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

You mean, I couldn't get a #2 overall pick who's gotten better every single year and is going to be on a cost-controlled 3-year RFA contract for 3 years (Reinhart) in exchange for a late 1st round pick and a goalie prospect who is at least 3 years away and I have Bobrovsky and highly-touted Knight. So I gave up a late-1st and a 7th for an immediate top-6 forward who I had for 3 years at a very fair wage.

I got the player I want, because Sheevyn's hand is always the one being forced.

You missed the point.  GM's aren't low balling KA and just hoping he picks them at their lowest possible offer.  That's actually quite a ridiculous notion.

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

And, really, does any other calculation matter at this time? 

Had there been a trade Adams *hasn’t* won? Given circumstances? 

I’m not sure we can complain very much that there doesn’t appear to be a correlation between “winning trades” and “winning”. Nay, it’s probably better just to change our goal 

That's a really fantastic exaggeration on my post.  I didn't say anything close to this.  You did.

[JohnC]

5 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

No, he won the Mitts trade.

Let’s assume he won the Mitts trade. So what? Did it make the team better? Evaluating deals on an individual basis without putting it within the bigger framework of whether it improves the roster or not avoids the team aspect to the equation.

My view is that we got the better player while the lesser departed player was a bigger contributor to the team. 

 

[7+6=13]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

Let’s assume he won the Mitts trade. So what? Did it make the team better? Evaluating deals on an individual basis without putting it within the bigger framework of whether it improves the roster or not avoids the team aspect to the equation.

My view is that we got the better player while the lesser departed player was a bigger contributor to the team. 

 

So nothing.  He won that trade.  It's not that deep.

There's plenty to be disappointed about without making things up.

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by 7+6=13

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, St. Pete Gogolak said:

Did we really win the Risto trade. What was that? Three years ago? Rosen has zero goals and zero assists in the NHL. Philly has at least gotten three years of a physical, veteran RHD.  Oh yeah, wouldn’t it be nice to have one of those.

No they haven't. He's spent most of it injured. 

2 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

No, he won the Mitts trade.

I won't say that until I see what he gets for Byram. 

Edited 15 hours ago by PerreaultForever

[7+6=13]

2 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

 

I won't say that until I see what he gets for Byram. 

Ok, but it doesn't matter if you admit it.  That's not what makes it true. 

You can still hate KA and acknowledge the obvious.

[LGR4GM]

Adams won the Mitts trade. Mittelstadt is worth less than Byram as we sit here today. It's like winning the Jokiharju for Nylander trade, sure Joker wasn't great but he was better than Nylander. Byram's gonna give us more when traded than Mitts have Colorado. 

[Flashsabre]

Wake me up when Adams wins a playoff berth. Winning or losing an individual trade means nothing. It’s building a roster that can compete and win that means everything and Adams has failed miserably at it for 5 straight years.

[JohnC]

7 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

So nothing.  He won that trade.  It's not that deep.

There's plenty to be disappointed about without making things up.

 

 

You may not be aware of it but the GM’s job is to put together a team. The reason to make transactions is to improve the team and be more competitive against other teams. By that measurement the GM is a dismal failure. You may be desperately searching for meaningless  moral victories while I’m evaluating our feeble GM based on the team’s  record. We were a back of the pack team when he assumed the GM position and after five years we still are a back of the pack team. That’s the real measurement!

[Archie Lee]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Adams won the Mitts trade. Mittelstadt is worth less than Byram as we sit here today. It's like winning the Jokiharju for Nylander trade, sure Joker wasn't great but he was better than Nylander. Byram's gonna give us more when traded than Mitts have Colorado. 

I always thought that winning or losing a trade, was measured by some nebulous combination of individual player performance and team success. For example, people have long concluded that St. Louis won the O’Reilly trade. They won the cup and the Sabres have missed the playoffs every year since. Yet, Thompson is making a case that he was the best player in that deal (he may have a few 50 goal seasons in him coming). 

I think Byram is a better hockey player than Mitts. Neither team reached their post-trade goals. But we will need a better return than Charlie Coyle, who we could use, for me to give the clear victory to Adams. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Archie Lee

[DarthEbriate]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Adams won the Mitts trade. Mittelstadt is worth less than Byram as we sit here today. It's like winning the Jokiharju for Nylander trade, sure Joker wasn't great but he was better than Nylander. Byram's gonna give us more when traded than Mitts have Colorado. 

The full trade was Mitts, Zellers, and a 2nd for Coyle and a 2026 6th. Coyle has one year remaining on his deal. If the Avs win the Cup in 2026 with Coyle on the roster, I assume they'll have no regrets about the trade either. He could also extend and give them years of service. We shall have to wait and see.

[LGR4GM]

14 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

The full trade was Mitts, Zellers, and a 2nd for Coyle and a 2026 6th. Coyle has one year remaining on his deal. If the Avs win the Cup in 2026 with Coyle on the roster, I assume they'll have no regrets about the trade either. He could also extend and give them years of service. We shall have to wait and see.

They won't. And Buffalo still won the trade. Byram is worth more than 3/4 of Charlie Coyle with a prospect and a 2nd adding up to the other 1/4.

[JohnC]

33 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I always thought that winning or losing a trade, was measured by some nebulous combination of individual player performance and team success. For example, people have long concluded that St. Louis won the O’Reilly trade. They won the cup and the Sabres have missed the playoffs every year since. Yet, Thompson is making a case that he was the best player in that deal (he may have a few 50 goal seasons in him coming). 

I think Byram is a better hockey player than Mitts. Neither team reached their post-trade goals. But we will need a better return than Charlie Coyle, who we could use, for me to give the clear victory to Adams. 

You are focusing your attention on the right issue/question. The meaningful issue isn't whether a player going out or coming in is better or not. You can be dispatching a more talented player for a lesser talented player and still come out improving your team because it upgrades a more needed position. One of my primary criticisms of the GM is that he has a scout's mentality in evaluating players without the broader perspective required for a GM position that should have a bigger picture perspective. He simply is not adept at getting the right pieces to stitch together to form a coherent and stronger roster. His accumulated record demonstrates that point. He's had five years on the job. He deconstructed the roster and positioned us on the bottom of the rankings. Where are we after five years of applying his shortsighted methodology?

[elijah]

Connor Murphy + 25th Overall sounds good to me 

 

Sounds even better if Adams then trades one of 9th or 25th for another player