Time to trade Peterka

[LGR4GM]

24 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Quinn and Norris' inability to stay healthy concern me. I don't get the Benson love to me he feels like another Krebs, 3rd/4th line guy at best. Kullich could replace JJP points but feel JJP has more skill. 

Krebs, right now, this very second, is not as good defensively as 19yr old Benson was. Benson feels nothing like Krebs. 

[Mr. Allen]

48 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Power could be a piece too but the question if you wanted to keep Byram instead. 

Adams is not trading Power. 

[ska-T Palmtown]

2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Quinn and Norris' inability to stay healthy concern me. I don't get the Benson love to me he feels like another Krebs, 3rd/4th line guy at best. Kullich could replace JJP points but feel JJP has more skill. 

Jack Quinn's "inability to stay healthy" is a myth. He had ONE SEASON where he had two bad luck injuries, otherwise:

And he was benched for at least 2 of the 8 he missed in 24-25. Pleez stahp!

Also note (for others who like this narrative, too) - the injuries did not diminish his play. Since coming back from the Achilles injury - 58 pts in 101 games, roughly 0.57 pts/game and it was 0.49 before. If someone wants to say the injuries set his development back, sure. I think he even said he wished he had been stronger to start last season. Quinn is at least as good as he was his rookie season ...

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, ska-T Palmtown said:

Jack Quinn's "inability to stay healthy" is a myth. He had ONE SEASON where he had two bad luck injuries, otherwise:

And he was benched for at least 2 of the 8 he missed in 24-25. Pleez stahp!

Also note (for others who like this narrative, too) - the injuries did not diminish his play. Since coming back from the Achilles injury - 58 pts in 101 games, roughly 0.57 pts/game and it was 0.49 before. If someone wants to say the injuries set his development back, sure. I think he even said he wished he had been stronger to start last season. Quinn is at least as good as he was his rookie season ...

Quinn also missed 25 or so games in Rochester in 21-22. 

[Gatorman0519]

1 hour ago, ska-T Palmtown said:

Jack Quinn's "inability to stay healthy" is a myth. He had ONE SEASON where he had two bad luck injuries, otherwise:

And he was benched for at least 2 of the 8 he missed in 24-25. Pleez stahp!

Also note (for others who like this narrative, too) - the injuries did not diminish his play. Since coming back from the Achilles injury - 58 pts in 101 games, roughly 0.57 pts/game and it was 0.49 before. If someone wants to say the injuries set his development back, sure. I think he even said he wished he had been stronger to start last season. Quinn is at least as good as he was his rookie season ...

When we passed Rossi for him I almost fell over. Another blunder. 

[ska-T Palmtown]

1 minute ago, Archie Lee said:

Quinn also missed 25 or so games in Rochester in 21-22. 

Sports hernia - same thing Ras (probably) had to start the 24-25 season. It does weaken my point a bit ... I guess if he gets injured this year, I will hang my head in shame and embark on a whirlwind apology tour 🙂 If he doesn't? Man, ain't nobody ever heard as much "I-told-you-so"ing as I am gonna do!!!

[ska-T Palmtown]

1 minute ago, Gatorman0519 said:

When we passed Rossi for him I almost fell over. Another blunder. 

Rossi - 0.55 pts/game in 185 games

Quinn - 0.54 pts/game in 178 games

Granted Rossi's point totals were 1 (in 19 games!), 40, then 60 and Mr. Quinn has gone 37, 19, 39 ... but as of today - no real overall difference. We'll see what '25-26 brings, i guess 🙂 

[Taro T]

8 minutes ago, ska-T Palmtown said:

Rossi - 0.55 pts/game in 185 games

Quinn - 0.54 pts/game in 178 games

Granted Rossi's point totals were 1 (in 19 games!), 40, then 60 and Mr. Quinn has gone 37, 19, 39 ... but as of today - no real overall difference. We'll see what '25-26 brings, i guess 🙂 

IF Quinn is back and isn't part of one of the packages that hopefully shake up the player ranks (considering they don't seem to be making any coaching changes (friggin' morons), can see him getting back on track to the 25-30 goal pace he was on in that injury filled season.  Not only can see it, kind of expect it.

[Thorny]

4 hours ago, Mr. Allen said:

Adams is not trading Power. 

Good!

[oddoublee]

3 hours ago, ska-T Palmtown said:

Jack Quinn's "inability to stay healthy" is a myth. He had ONE SEASON where he had two bad luck injuries, otherwise:

And he was benched for at least 2 of the 8 he missed in 24-25. Pleez stahp!

Also note (for others who like this narrative, too) - the injuries did not diminish his play. Since coming back from the Achilles injury - 58 pts in 101 games, roughly 0.57 pts/game and it was 0.49 before. If someone wants to say the injuries set his development back, sure. I think he even said he wished he had been stronger to start last season. Quinn is at least as good as he was his rookie season ...

Yeah, 2 of last 3 seasons were healthy. Which begs the question; what kind of production should we be really expecting from our soon to be 24 year old winger? Id wager, not all that much. 

[ska-T Palmtown]

1 minute ago, oddoublee said:

Yeah, 2 of last 3 seasons were healthy. Which begs the question; what kind of production should we be really expecting from our soon to be 24 year old winger? Id wager, not all that much. 

had not really meant to steer the thread - jAcK QuInN iS AlWaYs HuRt is just one of my trigger points 🙂 That said - similar to @LGR4GM's comment above, I think he has the potential to be a 30g scorer (he has the SHOT, that is for sure) - given he has had more apples than goals I guess 30-35a as well?

[Turbo44]

6 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Krebs, right now, this very second, is not as good defensively as 19yr old Benson was. Benson feels nothing like Krebs. 

Agreed - Benson = Krebs is a terrible:lousy take

[K-9]

5 hours ago, Mr. Allen said:

Adams is not trading Power. 

Nor should he. We would regret it greatly in a few years because when he’s done growing and acquires his man strength, look out.

 

[Mr. Allen]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

Nor should he. We would regret it greatly in a few years because when he’s done growing and acquires his man strength, look out.

 

It’s more about Adams would have to admit he was wrong twice.  Once when picking him first overall, and also wrong in the contract he gave him. 
GM’s don’t like to trade the players they invested greatly in. 

[oddoublee]

18 minutes ago, ska-T Palmtown said:

had not really meant to steer the thread - jAcK QuInN iS AlWaYs HuRt is just one of my trigger points 🙂 That said - similar to @LGR4GM's comment above, I think he has the potential to be a 30g scorer (he has the SHOT, that is for sure) - given he has had more apples than goals I guess 30-35a as well?

Turning threads sideways is what this forum does best!

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, Mr. Allen said:

It’s more about Adams would have to admit he was wrong twice.  Once when picking him first overall, and also wrong in the contract he gave him. 
GM’s don’t like to trade the players they invested greatly in. 

Why Adams shouldn't be gm reason number 507

[K-9]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Allen said:

It’s more about Adams would have to admit he was wrong twice.  Once when picking him first overall, and also wrong in the contract he gave him. 
GM’s don’t like to trade the players they invested greatly in. 

That contract is gonna look mighty good in a couple years. GMs also don’t like trading players with very high ceilings, too. 

[Taro T]

37 minutes ago, K-9 said:

That contract is gonna look mighty good in a couple years. GMs also don’t like trading players with very high ceilings, too. 

And yet the expectation is that both Peterka and Byram will be ex-Sabres by October.

[K-9]

9 minutes ago, Taro T said:

And yet the expectation is that both Peterka and Byram will be ex-Sabres by October.

Imo, Byram is already at his ceiling and we need better. I was ok with moving him at the deadline. 

I don’t buy the Peterka rumors and that said, while he has a higher ceiling, it’s that high ceiling that fetches the better asset in a trade. But his high ceiling can’t be compared to Power’s imo, because Power plays a more critical position.

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Imo, Byram is already at his ceiling and we need better. I was ok with moving him at the deadline. 

I don’t buy the Peterka rumors and that said, while he has a higher ceiling, it’s that high ceiling that fetches the better asset in a trade. But his high ceiling can’t be compared to Power’s imo, because Power plays a more critical position.

We shall see whether Bryam still as runway to grow.  Byram JUST turned 24 a couple of weeks ago.  Personally expect him to still improve this year and likely the next year or 2 as well.  D-men usually seem to hit their peak around 26 and then stay there for a while.  Which goes back to my big complaint about the trade of Mittelstadt for Byram.  We traded Mitts away right at the point in time he was coming into his prime for a player that was still 2-3 years away from his prime.

For the love of all things good an holy, Buffalo, stop being a friggin' development program.

[dudacek]

19 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Imo, Byram is already at his ceiling and we need better. I was ok with moving him at the deadline. 

I don’t buy the Peterka rumors and that said, while he has a higher ceiling, it’s that high ceiling that fetches the better asset in a trade. But his high ceiling can’t be compared to Power’s imo, because Power plays a more critical position.

Byram and Power have played exactly the same amount of NHL games.

Not many NHL defencemen have hit their peak before they turn 24 and play 250 games.

[K-9]

8 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Byram and Power have played exactly the same amount of NHL games.

Not many NHL defencemen have hit their peak before they turn 24 and play 250 games.

Point well taken and I can truly appreciate that. Perhaps I’m a bit too critical of Byram, but he just hasn’t impressed me as much as I’d hoped to this point.

[The Jokeman]

14 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Krebs, right now, this very second, is not as good defensively as 19yr old Benson was. Benson feels nothing like Krebs. 

I just don't see Benson ever being a top end guy (see 25G 60P) type which is the very least I want for a top 6 forward.

[JohnC]

10 hours ago, Mr. Allen said:

It’s more about Adams would have to admit he was wrong twice.  Once when picking him first overall, and also wrong in the contract he gave him. 
GM’s don’t like to trade the players they invested greatly in. 

It’s not going to be long before that deal is going to be perceived to be a bargain. 
 

@K-9 is spot on with his post on Power. Listen to him. Making transactions based on unrealistic expectations is self-sabotaging, as we all know. 

 

2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

I just don't see Benson ever being a top end guy (see 25G 60P) type which is the very least I want for a top 6 forward.

Some players value are not fully measured by stats. His value beyond his current stats is from how he plays. Also, I do see his scoring production going up as he physically matures.

[Mr. Allen]

48 minutes ago, JohnC said:

It’s not going to be long before that deal is going to be perceived to be a bargain. 
 

@K-9 is spot on with his post on Power. Listen to him. Making transactions based on unrealistic expectations is self-sabotaging, as we all know. 

 

Some players value are not fully measured by stats. His value beyond his current stats is from how he plays. Also, I do see his scoring production going up as he physically matures.

I’m not saying Kevyn was wrong giving him that contract.  I’m saying trading Power would look as Kevyn being wrong twice.