Are you ready to give up on the team?

[inkman]

14 hours ago, JohninMinn. said:

I'm from Buffalo where else would I go? You kids just don't get it. Too many video games. No loyalty.

How many times are you willing to get pounded in the cornhole until you decide you don’t like it anymore? 

[Pimlach]

8 hours ago, PASabreFan said:

Alternative theory: Terry grew up poor and ended up wildly successful (financially at least) without throwing money at the problem of poverty. He just worked hard. And waited. And waited.

It was time and pressure in the Shawshankian tradition, that got him to the other end of the sewage pipe and eventually to a boat in Mexico.

Terry started off talking about how he never fired anyone at East Resources (or was it no one ever left?) and how his role model owner was Art Rooney, who decided after years of losing and replacing people that "panic isn't working." Terry also stood at some interview early on, maybe on Day One, and said something like, "I don't get too high or too low." I remember him tilting his hand back and forth as he said it (what I had for dinner last night? no clue).

Terry also famously said only one team wins a Cup every year.

Where is all that leading? Maybe Terry circa 2020 just decided to get back to his foundational beliefs. This'll take time and not necessarily money (going back to his business roots), I'm not going to keep firing people (and paying people to not work for me), let's plan the work and work the plan, etc.

All of the preceding might be classic PASabrefanian hogwash, but I want to believe it moreso than Terry has quit on the Sabres. I might even have to believe it. I mean, if he's quit, that's really, you know, not good.

This is a lucid, intelligent, and well thought out commentary.   Loved the "time and pressure in Shawshankian tradition" part.  

Terry has to get the point of realizing that you have to compete for the cup to win the cup.  Perennially watching the playoffs must end.  

Adams talks about a plan for sustained excellence when he can't deliver occasional periodic excellence.  Maybe is time for an adjustment to the plan, or an adjustment to the people responsible (and accountable) for the plan?  

Instead we keep moving players out and watch them have great success in other places.  

Edited 3 hours ago by Pimlach

[Weave]

46 minutes ago, inkman said:

How many times are you willing to get pounded in the cornhole until you decide you don’t like it anymore? 

Pounded in the cornhole is the essence of being a fan of Buffalo sports.  You grow up having acquired the taste without even realizing it.  There is no not liking it anymore.  Like warm deli meat on a over salty bun with those nasty seeds in rye bread.

Edited 4 hours ago by Weave

[sabremike]

How can anyone have any hope when you realize Terry and his band of clueless morons see Seth Appert as some hockey genius head coach in waiting? There is absolutely nothing in that man's resume that suggests he is any good at his job.

[dudacek]

8 hours ago, PASabreFan said:

Alternative theory: Terry grew up poor and ended up wildly successful (financially at least) without throwing money at the problem of poverty. He just worked hard. And waited. And waited.

It was time and pressure in the Shawshankian tradition, that got him to the other end of the sewage pipe and eventually to a boat in Mexico.

Terry started off talking about how he never fired anyone at East Resources (or was it no one ever left?) and how his role model owner was Art Rooney, who decided after years of losing and replacing people that "panic isn't working." Terry also stood at some interview early on, maybe on Day One, and said something like, "I don't get too high or too low." I remember him tilting his hand back and forth as he said it (what I had for dinner last night? no clue).

Terry also famously said only one team wins a Cup every year.

Where is all that leading? Maybe Terry circa 2020 just decided to get back to his foundational beliefs. This'll take time and not necessarily money (going back to his business roots), I'm not going to keep firing people (and paying people to not work for me), let's plan the work and work the plan, etc.

All of the preceding might be classic PASabrefanian hogwash, but I want to believe it moreso than Terry has quit on the Sabres. I might even have to believe it. I mean, if he's quit, that's really, you know, not good.

At least some people are bringing it this off-season.

[Taro T]

10 hours ago, PASabreFan said:

Alternative theory: Terry grew up poor and ended up wildly successful (financially at least) without throwing money at the problem of poverty. He just worked hard. And waited. And waited.

It was time and pressure in the Shawshankian tradition, that got him to the other end of the sewage pipe and eventually to a boat in Mexico.

Terry started off talking about how he never fired anyone at East Resources (or was it no one ever left?) and how his role model owner was Art Rooney, who decided after years of losing and replacing people that "panic isn't working." Terry also stood at some interview early on, maybe on Day One, and said something like, "I don't get too high or too low." I remember him tilting his hand back and forth as he said it (what I had for dinner last night? no clue).

Terry also famously said only one team wins a Cup every year.

Where is all that leading? Maybe Terry circa 2020 just decided to get back to his foundational beliefs. This'll take time and not necessarily money (going back to his business roots), I'm not going to keep firing people (and paying people to not work for me), let's plan the work and work the plan, etc.

All of the preceding might be classic PASabrefanian hogwash, but I want to believe it moreso than Terry has quit on the Sabres. I might even have to believe it. I mean, if he's quit, that's really, you know, not good.

Figures you'd chosse as your jumping off point a post that's simply venting.  Don't really believe Pegula has quit.  (And, don't even want him to quit.  Just want him to find somebody better than who he's had in charge of my favorite sports team for the past 5 years.  THIS team is the only sports related endeavor that his hands are on that is failing.  If he finally gets someone good in charge, they could thrive.)  Expect we'll know he's quit when he starts actively looking for a buyer.  But not expecting that anytime soon (if ever).

Noticed you had nothing to add when mentioned (once again) just a day earlier in reference to @darksabre's take that Pegula is sticking to his and Adams plan that "It's what we hear directly from people within the organization - the plan is good, it just takes time."  Have literally been told that by several people within the organization.

It COULD work, and (provided guys like Dahlin, Tuch, and Thompson don't give up on the team and the city) eventually it WILL work.  (Heck, it was essentially a single kneed-in puck away from working the year before last.)  But it is truly exhausting watching them put us once again in a situation where a whole lot of things need to go right to get there.  Am REALLY forking tired.  It simply isn't any fun right now.  But am almost certain (much to your chagrin) that will be able to once again have hope come October.  And shoot, with a real experienced "hockey guy" as an aid or dare we even say a mentor, maybe the lightbulb will go on for Adams and he turns into a good GM.  Not putting any money on it, but it COULD (possibly) happen.

Didn't ask for much.  Bump Adams into the PoHO role and can a bunch of ACs.  (THAT seemed doable.  Getting a new GM from elsewhere and Sullivan was pie in the sky; but the ask wasn't very big of an ask at all.)  Not getting the 1st.  Doubt we see more than 1 or 2 ACs (at most) gone, so not getting the 2nd either.  Courtesy of the rumors that they're looking for a seasoned voice to be an advisor to Adams that we're about to see Karmanos and Ventura pack up (figuratively, Karmanos isn't actually GOING anywhere, he'll just change employers).  Had hoped for a vet goalie to be brought in, a true top 4 D-man so they actually have 4 of them when all are healthy, and a top 6 vet F brought in and a middle 6 vet brought in; but now we look to be heading into a year that their 2nd 1st OA drafted D-man needs to bounce back from a pretty major injury that they'll likely be trading away a D-man that's closer to his prime than the broken guy, so they need 2 top 4 D not just 1 (and for the 1st month or 2 they'll actually need 3).  But, right now, am  frustrated.  Not giving up.  Just tired and frustrated and just wasted way more time replying to a post than should've because still have about 2 more hours of work to get done tonight.