Taro T Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 39 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Happy to say I hated the idea of losing on purpose. I remember Nolan trying to win games and the FO trading away away his goaltending and anything else was was not nailed down. Hated the idea of losing on purpose and '13-'14 was an absolute horrible year. Thought the tank was a horrible idea and said as soon as Darcy promoted "suffering" he should've been canned on the spot. But had 2 choices in '14-'15, could've walked away from the team because 2 years of trying to support that ####show knowing management had actively stacked the deck against them would've been too much; or could hope that they actually managed to get the ####tiest team in the league that year and laugh at the joke they'd made of themselves because had they finished 29th there is no doubt that Murray would've selected Dach at 3. Never rooted against them in the building. (There were plenty of other games for them to lose over 82.) But otherwise was ok with the losses because AT THAT POINT there was no point to meaningless wins; that team was built to lose and as stated earlier the options were hop out of the car before it hit the skid and walk away forever or steer into it and hope it only ended up a sideswipe of a Fiesta and not a full on head on collision with a semi. Hopefully they never do that again. Will walk away if they head INTO a season wanting to lose. Taking a step back at the trade deadline because things aren't working is one thing; taking a step back at the trade deadline and then getting rid of everything else of value for 2 more years can't happen again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 24 minutes ago, Taro T said: Hated the idea of losing on purpose and '13-'14 was an absolute horrible year. Thought the tank was a horrible idea and said as soon as Darcy promoted "suffering" he should've been canned on the spot. But had 2 choices in '14-'15, could've walked away from the team because 2 years of trying to support that ####show knowing management had actively stacked the deck against them would've been too much; or could hope that they actually managed to get the ####tiest team in the league that year and laugh at the joke they'd made of themselves because had they finished 29th there is no doubt that Murray would've selected Dach at 3. Never rooted against them in the building. (There were plenty of other games for them to lose over 82.) But otherwise was ok with the losses because AT THAT POINT there was no point to meaningless wins; that team was built to lose and as stated earlier the options were hop out of the car before it hit the skid and walk away forever or steer into it and hope it only ended up a sideswipe of a Fiesta and not a full on head on collision with a semi. Hopefully they never do that again. Will walk away if they head INTO a season wanting to lose. Taking a step back at the trade deadline because things aren't working is one thing; taking a step back at the trade deadline and then getting rid of everything else of value for 2 more years can't happen again. Is there an argument to be made that even with the tank years 7 or 8 years ago that culminated in the Jack draft, there was a pathway to some meaningful success after what was supposed to be strategic losing? What I'm basically asking is if the organization was run more astutely after the ignominiously decision to deliberately fail was there still an avenue to succeed in a reasonable period of time? Or is it simply that the approach that the organization took so contaminated and buried this franchise that it created a greater hole for this battered franchise to dig out of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, JohnC said: Is there an argument to be made that even with the tank years 7 or 8 years ago that culminated in the Jack draft, there was a pathway to some meaningful success after what was supposed to be strategic losing? What I'm basically asking is if the organization was run more astutely after the ignominiously decision to deliberately fail was there still an avenue to succeed in a reasonable period of time? Or is it simply that the approach that the organization took so contaminated and buried this franchise that it created a greater hole for this battered franchise to dig out of? There absolutely was a path to success afterwords. The degree of difficulty was just made extreme through the scorched earth process, and viewing the decision to tank at all, as symptom, illustrates the idea that the minds that came up with that horrible strategy were unlikely to be very adept at using those same minds to rebuild it afterwords Edited June 3, 2023 by Thorny 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 38 minutes ago, Thorny said: There absolutely was a path to success afterwords. The degree of difficulty was just made extreme through the scorched earth process, and viewing the decision to tank at all, as symptom, illustrates the idea that the minds that came up with that horrible strategy were unlikely to be very adept at using those same minds to rebuild it afterwords An incisive insight. You are who you are and demonstrate it by the way you perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 Tempted to say 6 and play it easy but I’ll go with my gut: Knights in 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Thorny said: Tempted to say 6 and play it easy but I’ll go with my gut: Knights in 5 No love for the team that knocked off Boston/Toronto and Carolina? That's a tall task. They made it look easier than expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 Panthers have the goaltending. Florida in 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said: No love for the team that knocked off Boston/Toronto and Carolina? That's a tall task. They made it look easier than expected. Wayne Gretzky famously said: The NHL season is really 3 seasons: the regular season, the first three rounds, and the Stanley cup final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Eichel tells Friedman his dad ripped him a new one after Winnipeg game 1 LOL love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Thorny said: Well you’re a better fan than me I don't think it was the quality of fandom. We all want the best for the franchise. I think it was philosophy. Those of us who did not "embrace the tank" had our own reasons. Even so, the results would have been better than the worst-case scenario if management had been even remotely competent at finding players for the bottom half of the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 I would ordinarily pick the Panthers, but I think the long layoff really hurts them. Las Vegas in 6. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 So, we really need to update our game-day presentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Just now, ... said: So, we really need to update our game-day presentation. I wasn’t even hyped for this series and now im doing lines That’s a joke * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 A former Sabre in the starting line up for the knights in the Stanley cup final. Never thought I’d see it. congrats, will carrier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Eichel buzzing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) Good play by Lundell Eric Staal scores first. Wow, didn’t think he’d be the guy Bob dialed in early Edited June 4, 2023 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickshaw Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Well, my $10 bet last September on nhl cup winner futures bet in Vegas is still alive . I picked Florida. 11-1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 How did that not go? How? That’s the best save ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quint Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Montour hasn't been a factor in a long while...watch Montour score now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Theodore with an absolute clinic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 This game is not disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Friedman in the intermission says the Jets will NOT be rebuilding haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Thorny said: Friedman in the intermission says the Jets will NOT be rebuilding haha I just read a couple of the Jets fans thoughts on his comments in their HF Winni board, let the chuckles commence 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 Just now, Scottysabres said: I just read a couple of the Jets fans thoughts on his comments in their HF Winni board, let the chuckles commence 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 The Duclair line is at times causing problems for the Eichel line, to my eye Vegas bottom 6 is DOMINANT, man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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