Swedesessed Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/tavares-calculator Very interesting and eye popping to see the numbers in front of you, Enter in 10M for AAV for John Tavares and when you realize JT would NET 5M more from Tampa or Dallas with a contract for 1 LESS season, it makes you realize not if, but when this becomes an issue with the next CBA. And just remember, this is just 1 contract. Imagine the advantages when you factor in 20. This hurts Toronto a ton, and especially hurts the Sabres because for some players, there are markets that are more desirable, and when you factor in the taxes, they won't come here. Those are just the facts. Not sure what can be done to fix this, but something needs to be done. Maybe a percentage bump for teams with higher taxes to consider. The agents know this, the players know this, and it is being exploited in cap leagues like the NHL and even the NBA. Edited June 28, 2018 by (E5) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Does that calculator account for, ya know, how taxes actually work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Why do I think this is irreconcilable. This is a state issue not something I see as a CBA issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuuuuuuuuu Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 This is why I moved to Missouri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Does that calculator account for, ya know, how taxes actually work? I have no idea how they work. I always hear this argument when players sign somewhere, but I'm pretty sure the Athletic just came out with an article yesterday detailing how it didn't matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I have no idea how they work. I always hear this argument when players sign somewhere, but I'm pretty sure the Athletic just came out with an article yesterday detailing how it didn't matter It did. I haven't read it yet. It was focused more on higher Canadian taxes vs. lower US taxes, according to the headline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I have no idea how they work. I always hear this argument when players sign somewhere, but I'm pretty sure the Athletic just came out with an article yesterday detailing how it didn't matter Basically, players pay tax based on where the game is played. So moving to a state without an income tax only affects their 41 home games. In other words, half their salary. And nobody actually pays the top rate anyway due to deductions. Then tack on escrow, and yea, the net difference for athletes across states is pretty small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Taxes change all the time. They could never account for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeEich Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Basically, players pay tax based on where the game is played. So moving to a state without an income tax only affects their 41 home games. In other words, half their salary. And nobody actually pays the top rate anyway due to deductions. Then tack on escrow, and yea, the net difference for athletes across states is pretty small. Serious question, is what you say about playing in different states affecting the taxes paid really a thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Serious question, is what you say about playing in different states affecting the taxes paid really a thing? For some states, yes. NYS taxes anything earned in NYS regardless of where the earner lives. There are others that do that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeEich Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 For some states, yes. NYS taxes anything earned in NYS regardless of where the earner lives. There are others that do that as well. Makes sense, I would be interested to see exactly the difference in net pay because I bet that there are states do have a significant advantage, that being said it's really not relevant to the CBA I wouldn't think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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