Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Please forgive me for starting a new topic, but given our Moderator's confidence in a specific new Sabres coach being named in the next 72 hours, and the palpitations coming from the airwaves which procure 85% of their revenue off of Terry Pegula.......maybe it is time to focus on the leading candidate who is said to be better than 50/50. I'm not sure how familiar people are with the Tulip Mania that was centered around Holland back in the day. I probably only am familiar with it so deeply because of my background, but long story short.....a flower that was native and common in another region suddenly became available to a new region. The forces alligned, and people were so amazed by the pretty colors and novelty of this flower that they started selling their possesions, livestock, and homes....just for a chance to get this "special" flower. In a matter of a few years, people came to their senses and realized that a tulip wasn't worth a life of saving, but nothing more than a common onion. Holland had built up The Tulip......the masses bought into the idea it was special.....and the richest of the rich walked away even richer. http://www.investopedia.com/features/crashes/crashes2.asp Don't get Dutch Ovened.......learn about The "Holland Tulip" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymike15 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Interesting...I just visited Keukenhof a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Yeah, we read it in the other thread.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Please forgive me for starting a new topic, but given our Moderator's confidence in a specific new Sabres coach being named in the next 72 hours, and the palpitations coming from the airwaves which procure 85% of their revenue off of Terry Pegula.......maybe it is time to focus on the leading candidate who is said to be better than 50/50. I'm not sure how familiar people are with the Tulip Mania that was centered around Holland back in the day. I probably only am familiar with it so deeply because of my background, but long story short.....a flower that was native and common in another region suddenly became available to a new region. The forces alligned, and people were so amazed by the pretty colors and novelty of this flower that they started selling their possesions, livestock, and homes....just for a chance to get this "special" flower. In a matter of a few years, people came to their senses and realized that a tulip wasn't worth a life of saving, but nothing more than a common onion. Holland had built up The Tulip......the masses bought into the idea it was special.....and the richest of the rich walked away even richer. http://www.investopedia.com/features/crashes/crashes2.asp Don't get Dutch Ovened.......learn about The "Holland Tulip" Is it a coincidence that the Wings GM is named Holland? Is this story really about him vice Pegula? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Too much sometimes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Too much sometimes... All the Pegula love in every thread? I know, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 All the Pegula love in every thread? I know, right? Actually no one is really talking about it him that much. Just a few posters like yourself. You talk about him way more than anyone else. You have become so biased and your perspective is so off, it's infortunatly pointless to engage in conversation about him with you. If you dialed it back a little, you'd be more effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Actually no one is really talking about it him that much. Just a few posters like yourself. You talk about him way more than anyone else. You have become so biased and your perspective is so off, it's infortunatly pointless to engage in conversation about him with you. If you dialed it back a little, you'd be more effective. I've dialed it way back. I could have reasonably ripped him every day the last two seasons for subjecting us to garbage on ice but didn't. My point is that this board likes to selectively decry "agendas" and "narratives" and "beating a dead horse," but only when you disagree with it. The biggest agenda here is still trying to prove that Terry is the owner we thought we were getting in 2011, and fitting everything that happens into that narrative. Hearing how wonderful the Pegulas are and that's why Babcock will come here just put me over the edge. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SwampD Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 I was expecting a much different topic,… oh, wait, that's the Dutch Tulip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Look, the point that people would be wrong to welcome Babcock as a saviour is well-taken. But this Holland Tulip thing would work better if Babcock was just a pretty onion, rather than one of the better, more proven coaches in the league. If we get him we will overpay and there is no guarantee he will be the right guy for the job. But his salary will have little to no impact on the team, and no coach comes with a guarantee. It would be nice to get one with a track record. The idea that he won't meet expectations is reasonable. The idea that he will bankrupt the franchise is laughable. Edited May 10, 2015 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 All the Pegula love in every thread? I know, right? So if the Sabres sign Babcock it is a failure? And if they don't sign Babcock, that too, is a failure? What exactly would you like to see, PA? Which way would you like to see them fail? :P Preference? Please forgive me for starting a new topic, but given our Moderator's confidence in a specific new Sabres coach being named in the next 72 hours, and the palpitations coming from the airwaves which procure 85% of their revenue off of Terry Pegula.......maybe it is time to focus on the leading candidate who is said to be better than 50/50. I'm not sure how familiar people are with the Tulip Mania that was centered around Holland back in the day. I probably only am familiar with it so deeply because of my background, but long story short.....a flower that was native and common in another region suddenly became available to a new region. The forces alligned, and people were so amazed by the pretty colors and novelty of this flower that they started selling their possesions, livestock, and homes....just for a chance to get this "special" flower. In a matter of a few years, people came to their senses and realized that a tulip wasn't worth a life of saving, but nothing more than a common onion. Holland had built up The Tulip......the masses bought into the idea it was special.....and the richest of the rich walked away even richer. http://www.investopedia.com/features/crashes/crashes2.asp Don't get Dutch Ovened.......learn about The "Holland Tulip" Except this it isn't a commodity market. It is one guy. Vickrey Auction would be more appropriate. There is no speculation in an auction. The final price is the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) I've dialed it way back. I could have reasonably ripped him every day the last two seasons for subjecting us to garbage on ice but didn't. My point is that this board likes to selectively decry "agendas" and "narratives" and "beating a dead horse," but only when you disagree with it. The biggest agenda here is still trying to prove that Terry is the owner we thought we were getting in 2011, and fitting everything that happens into that narrative. Hearing how wonderful the Pegulas are and that's why Babcock will come here just put me over the edge. Sorry. Do you realize your "dialing back" is comparing a bubble burst when so many people bought something it became devalued and somehow comparing that to the sabres pursuing a top 5 consensus coach and mixing in some pegula blame in there? How in the world do you expect anyone to take you seriously. The analogy makes no sense. Why don't you try and explain in logic, why this is a bad thing and how it has to do with pegula? We need an owner who can afford a big contract to get a top coach, we have that, some other teams don't. What is your issue? Pick a posiition, if we miss out, is that a bad thing. If we get him, is that a bad thing. Which one makes pegula look worse? Instead of always being captain hindsight and blaming pegula for everything, and being captain foresight and blaming pegula for every possible outcome. Pick a position, and say why it would be bad and what pegula has to do with it. Edited May 10, 2015 by Vlad Dangerslakov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted May 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 In all honesty, I'm just tradmarking the name in the off chance he actually comes to Buffalo. I hereby give Jerry Sullivan permission to use the name as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 In all honesty, I'm just tradmarking the name in the off chance he actually comes to Buffalo. I hereby give Jerry Sullivan permission to use the name as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XJe2iVrwTY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Do you realize your "dialing back" is comparing a bubble burst when so many people bought something it became devalued and somehow comparing that to the sabres pursuing a top 5 consensus coach and mixing in some pegula blame in there? How in the world do you expect anyone to take you seriously. The analogy makes no sense. Why don't you try and explain in logic, why this is a bad thing and how it has to do with pegula? We need an owner who can afford a big contract to get a top coach, we have that, some other teams don't. What is your issue? Pick a posiition, if we miss out, is that a bad thing. If we get him, is that a bad thing. Which one makes pegula look worse? Instead of always being captain hindsight and blaming pegula for everything, and being captain foresight and blaming pegula for every possible outcome. Pick a position, and say why it would be bad and what pegula has to do with it. I'm not the OP. Drops mic and walks off... So if the Sabres sign Babcock it is a failure? And if they don't sign Babcock, that too, is a failure? What exactly would you like to see, PA? Which way would you like to see them fail? :P And another one making no sense. I've taken no stand on Babcock, except that I don't think we get him. It would be a great coup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 I'm not the OP. Drops mic and walks off Haha whoops. I still would like for you to put your actual stance down instead of eventually blaming pegula after the fact which you consistently do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Haha whoops. I still would like for you to put your actual stance down instead of eventually blaming pegula after the fact which you consistently do I was wayyyy out front on blaming Pegula. Almost from Day One. Was I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 I was wayyyy out front on blaming Pegula. Almost from Day One. Was I wrong? According to anyone but you, yes. It's easy to blame someone, and take no stance, then after the fact twist it. So are you saying pegula has no influence over the coach hunt? If not that's fine but no meddling crap afterwards. Does he have an influence? That's fine, but don't get annoyed if we get who want and people credit pegula some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 According to anyone but you, yes. It's easy to blame someone, and take no stance, then after the fact twist it. So are you saying pegula has no influence over the coach hunt? If not that's fine but no meddling crap afterwards. Does he have an influence? That's fine, but don't get annoyed if we get who want and people credit pegula some. There are two issues. How we want things to work and how they actually work. I want the GM to pick the coach. If Tim wants Richardson he should have him. Terry should only be involved if his involvement is needed by the GM. "Hey, Terry, this guy's on the fence. Why don't you whip up some of your famous jambalaya and have Mike and Babs over to the yacht?" But I'm naive to think that's the way it's going to work. If Terry wants Babcock and gets him, I'll give him credit. I won't be unhappy. Just surprised. I don't think it'll be because the Pegulas are so warm. Other owners and owner's wives are warm. The Pegulas are not special snowflakes. Now, if Babcock goes elsewhere, the deal is I am also free to say, well, maybe Babcock didn't like the cut of this owner's jib or the way he's owned the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) I totally misunderstood the intention of this thread. I thought Ghost went to the Netherlands and came back with some, you know, "pointers." I just assumed the "Holland Tulip" was a European improvement on something out of the Kama Sutra. Edited May 10, 2015 by K-9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 I'm not the OP. Drops mic and walks off... And another one making no sense. I've taken no stand on Babcock, except that I don't think we get him. It would be a great coup. That's why I asked your preference. You'd like to see him in Buffalo. I wasn't sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 That's why I asked your preference. You'd like to see him in Buffalo. I wasn't sure. I think I'd be crazy not to. That said, I can't do the sophisticated analysis that others do about whether he's the right fit and so on. But Ghost is pretty much the only person raising the question of fit. I think it's what we do here as a quasi team of rivals. Someone had to raise it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted May 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 I totally misunderstood the intention of this thread. I thought Ghost went to the Netherlands and came back with some, you know, "pointers." I just assumed the "Holland Tulip" was a European improvement on something out of the Kama Sutra. I want to see the Bogosian Begonia. That's not going to happen with Lindy Sr. behind the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bg17 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) I want to see the Bogosian Begonia. That's not going to happen with Lindy Sr. behind the bench. Begonia or bologna? Edited May 10, 2015 by bg17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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