tazman911 Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Lets not fight. We are all trying to find out the same information. Hard to believe that a bank would sit on a loan that has not been paid on for years, but in this day and age anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Lets not fight. We are all trying to find out the same information. Hard to believe that a bank would sit on a loan that has not been paid on for years, but in this day and age anything is possible. Well, what do you think they could do if scrooge isn't willing to give them the money? Shut down the arena and then own yet another vacant building in this city? I'm purely asking BTW. I do not have the solution for how these matters are supposed to be dealt. But that seems like that would happen possibly. What I heard was it was supposed to be a 50/50 split between Afr and the city as far as ownership of the arena goes. Hasn't paid them a dime. How he got arena ownership I do not know but I hear it's not exactly a clear cut answer either that has room for difference of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Pegula has no interest in the Jackals or the arena. Carry on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Pegula has no interest in the Jackals or the arena. Carry on... That's what I've been hearing - do you have a source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 That's what I've been hearing - do you have a source? He's been asked, that's what he said. Can't say source. -Ripley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 That's what I've been hearing - do you have a source? Funny though, you were saying the complete opposite awhile ago.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Funny though, you were saying the complete opposite awhile ago.... Egypt is the country doc is from and where he hides all his money from the tax man. I'm hearing rumors with some credibility that the whole deal with Pegula may be a no go. Afr hasn't made his mortgage payments in years, and the bank won't forclose because they don't want to own an empty arena. Other attempts to purchase the arena have been scuttled because the bank refuses to wave all its mortgage fees and delinquencies. The place may be unsellable until the landscape changes. The most likely landscape changing event would be Afr pulling up stakes and leaving. You must have missed the above post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 You must have missed the above post That is different though then no interest, wouldn;t you say? So whats happening then? If there is no more team after this year i'm gunna get a few of my buddies in the consruction business to help me take a wrecking ball to that place. If there is no team going forward it doesn't deserve to stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 That is different though then no interest, wouldn;t you say? So whats happening then? If there is no more team after this year i'm gunna get a few of my buddies in the consruction business to help me take a wrecking ball to that place. If there is no team going forward it doesn't deserve to stand. No, I wouldn't say. Pegula isn't saying he didn't have interest. I know he did from people in sabres and jackals front office. Who says jackals are going anywhere? He still own the rink , jackals will keep playing here. At least until code enforcement shuts the place down. No matter what happens, leave the place standing. The kids need a place to play. This thread can now be marked OT and fade into oblivion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 No, I wouldn't say. Pegula isn't saying he didn't have interest. I know he did from people in sabres and jackals front office. Who says jackals are going anywhere? He still own the rink , jackals will keep playing here. At least until code enforcement shuts the place down. No matter what happens, leave the place standing. The kids need a place to play. This thread can now be marked OT and fade into oblivion. If I can't have minor league hockey in the future no reason the city should have another almost vacant money sucking pit standing, send em to the Domes out in the sticks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 If I can't have minor league hockey in the future no reason the city should have another almost vacant money sucking pit standing, send em to the Domes out in the sticks! Just realized this is my thread, so I can close it. I also get the last word. There isn't enough ice time at the domes for the 250 kids in Elmira playing hockey, and the building won't be empty if its full of kids and families playing hockey 7 days a week. The game is much larger than F'n Afr and his jackals. You Jackals fans should realize that. An ice rink can serve as the center of a community and does in towns large and small all over north america. Open your eyes and appreciate the hockey being played by people who actually live here and contribute to the local economy. I wish Afr would take them and go back where he came from. He is a money sucking blight on this community, and I am looking forward to the day he slinks off. Hockey was alive and well in Elmira long before he ever heard of Elmira, and it will continue to thrive long after he is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I have opened this back up because the county has filed a foreclosure action against the rink. They haven't paid property taxes in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I have opened this back up because the county has filed a foreclosure action against the rink. They haven't paid property taxes in 3 years. Niiiiiiceee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazman911 Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I have opened this back up because the county has filed a foreclosure action against the rink. They haven't paid property taxes in 3 years. Not good at all. If they foreclose on the property, Afr will shut down the team. I wonder if Robbie's share of the team could keep them going. Foreclosure has begun on the arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Just realized this is my thread, so I can close it. I also get the last word. There isn't enough ice time at the domes for the 250 kids in Elmira playing hockey, and the building won't be empty if its full of kids and families playing hockey 7 days a week. The game is much larger than F'n Afr and his jackals. You Jackals fans should realize that. An ice rink can serve as the center of a community and does in towns large and small all over north america. Open your eyes and appreciate the hockey being played by people who actually live here and contribute to the local economy. I wish Afr would take them and go back where he came from. He is a money sucking blight on this community, and I am looking forward to the day he slinks off. Hockey was alive and well in Elmira long before he ever heard of Elmira, and it will continue to thrive long after he is gone. You say that hockey is big here but it won't matter if we don't have a pro team. We already lost the Pios like 7 years ago, would be nice to have one pro team left. once the afr's die off that opportunity will never happen again as nobody in this community has money. Not good at all. If they foreclose on the property, Afr will shut down the team. I wonder if Robbie's share of the team could keep them going. Foreclosure has begun on the arena. Yup. http://www.wetmtv.com/news/local/story/Chemung-County-Starts-Foreclosure-Proceedings/eYUi-m6AQEOruk5uMnuAbQ.cspx Southern Tier Economic Development is the owner of the building, but the Afr family, who owns the Elmira Jackals, is responsible for paying taxes and fees. The Afr’s currently owe just over $136,000; Chemung County officials said the family is three years behind on payments. Whos the dipstick in charge of that company that signed off on that deal??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Lol. People are thinking that with this news now that it will help TPegs decide to swoop in here afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 On WENY News it sounded like County Executive Tom Santulli gave Afr his own little form of an ultimatum. "I don't want to go through this again if there is new ownership it needs to be stable." I think he really wants him out! What WOULD happen if the County owned the arena? Any chance we would ever see minor league hockey again here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazman911 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 What WOULD happen if the County owned the arena? Any chance we would ever see minor league hockey again here? County will not fork out the kind of money needed to own and run a minor league hockey team. You would need someone like TPeg to have hockey here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 County will not fork out the kind of money needed to own and run a minor league hockey team. You would need someone like TPeg to have hockey here. But like would they ever sell it to anybody if they wanted to bring a franchise here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazman911 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 But like would they ever sell it to anybody if they wanted to bring a franchise here? yeah, they would sell it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 yeah, they would sell it Sweet. Looki at this topic: http://www.ielmira.com/index.php?/topic/20019-first-arena-sold/page__st__80__gopid__152309&do=findComment&comment=152309 Had no idea about that site. Wonder if the county could force Afr to sell the whole thing on the cheap now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 If Rivet is the great guy/teammate they have said he is, I wonder if he would consider paying that $136,000 NOT for the Afr's sake BUT for his TEAMMATES and COACH BINGHAM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazman911 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 he might. hell he should buy the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 he might. hell he should buy the team I'm sure he doesn't care about Elmira, lol. Eddy Lowe jokingly said he was going to. I think he said it cause he(Rivet)was a long time Hab and Eddy is a BIG Habs fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsFan88 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 http://www.stargazet...-arena-s-future STED still owns the arena, but a judge will probably sign a foreclosure order for it and other affected properties in the next 10 days, Santulli said. Once the order is signed, the property will belong to the county. After that, there's a "redemption period" that starts when the judge signs the order and ends Feb. 29, during which owners can get their properties back by paying the overdue balance, plus a 10 percent penalty. For the arena, that amount totals $136,234. "The only person now that can redeem the property is the owner," Santulli said. "And the owner is STED. ... It's up to STED whether they decide to do this or not." The development agency has no assets other than the arena, he said. Santulli did not want to speculate about what the county might do with an arena. "I think this has to play out, and then the county is going to have to make a decision," he said. "One thing I'm very sure of is that the county's not going to go into the arena business." Even if STED doesn't redeem the property, the City of Elmira is still making loan payments to the federal government for the arena. Elmira Mayor Sue Skidmore, who took office this month, said she believes the city would still have financial obligations after a foreclosure, but she's not sure of the specifics. City Manager John Burin and STED sources could not be reached. Tamer Afr and arena General Manager Robbie Nichols did not return phone calls Saturday, and Mostafa Afr also could not be reached. Good to know nobody involved here knows how to pick up or use a phone...Surprising, nobody could find Mostafa. Probably doesn't pay his phone bills either..... This is gunna go down one of two ways....Afr will make the payment at the 11th hour and the team will finish the season but his future in Elmira is all but over or it's going to go to an auction which would be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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