Danny Briere 2 goals last night

[bob_sauve28]

Ya! Marty got a shut out!

[SabreNod]

You are fast approaching joke status. Is that TG's pwn scientific poll that most Flyer fans hate him???

 

EDIT: you keep linking his plus/minus stats and the fact he doesn't play PK. You do realize that some of the great stars in this league don't play PK.

I know you are a really busy pillar of society, but maybe you can take the time some day to analyze just hiw many games Danny was a negative influence and how many he was a positive influence. Give Buffalo Danny instead of Tiny Tim and they are probably in the playoffs.

 

Tom, "fast approaching joke status" can only apply to your apparent lack of understanding of the game. If you don't understand the relationship between plus/minus and the PK, then you're beyond help.

 

Your constant belittling of "Tiny Tim" is the type of commentary I'd expect of a kid. How old did you say you were again? Do you really think Connolly WANTS to suffer the injuries he has been through? Grow up, old man.

[GoatheadInCT]

Thanks for your insipid post #2. You apparently fell in love with a name - a guy who virtually disappeared in the playoffs last season, was ridiculously OVERPAID by Phi, and who has received more boos from flyers fans this year than cheers. Those are facts, goat.

 

Some other facts for you:

 

Briere finished -22 and did NOT have a role on the PK. Briere has never been, and never will be, a complete 2-way player.

 

Roy, by comparison, finished +13 and played a SIGNIFICANT role on the PK. That's a complete player. A complete player who has done more in a shorter amount of time than Briere.

 

Signing Briere to an inflated contract, Drury to a deservedly high contract, and Roy to his contract, and Vanek, etc., would have been impossible. Choices had to be made. Letting Briere and his inflated value walk was absolutely the right thing to do. I just wish they had understood Drury's intentions better, cuz that one hurt.

 

Get over Briere, he wasn't that good. You have a much better player in Roy. Try to be happy about it, no matter how much effort it takes you.

 

There were many reasons why we missed the playoffs this year, and losing Briere ranks near the bottom.

 

SO WHAT? We had Roy AND Briere, who scores a lot more meaningful goals than "scores in bunches in blowouts" Vanek! That 7 mil we shelled out for another never will be complete 2-way player Thomas Vanek could have easily kept Briere in the blue and gold.

 

If he wasn't that good, then how come the AWFUL Flyers made the playoffs this year? Magic? Stellar goaltending by Marty? An influx of mega talent? You continually ignore the the destructive nature of losing our experience- Roy or no Roy!

 

No matter what, you cannot explain off the Flyers sudden improvement and the Sabres sudden decline so easily... by discounting Danny's role, you only show how biased you are- whatever he did to your psyche has affected your control of logic.

[Hsoj25]

Don't let em bring you down SabreNod

[tasker48b]

Tom, "fast approaching joke status" can only apply to your apparent lack of understanding of the game. If you don't understand the relationship between plus/minus and the PK, then you're beyond help.

 

Your constant belittling of "Tiny Tim" is the type of commentary I'd expect of a kid. How old did you say you were again? Do you really think Connolly WANTS to suffer the injuries he has been through? Grow up, old man.

 

Re: Tim Connolly

 

When management signed TC in 2006 it was after his concussion injury in the OTT playoff series. Given his injury history and the potential impact of concussions on a career (see Lindros, Brett) that was a big risk. With 50 regular season games played and 0 playoff goals scored by TC over 2 seaons , it's fair to suggest that the signing hasn't turned out as planned.

 

While he did come back for the 2007 playoff run, I'm not sure TC really helped that much - the Sabres already had a roster filled with skilled finesse type forwards. Too many of the same type of player in the 07 playoffs the critics said - and they may have had a point.

 

With Briere out of town and Connolly on IR the Sabres actually had forwards that hit people getting on the ice regularly near the end of the 2007-08 season (i.e. Kaleta, Mair, Guastad, etc.) which is something to look forward to next year, IMO>

 

The conventional wisdom was that Connolly would replace Briere's production in 2007-08. Tough to do with 48 games played. Impartial observers with no axe to grind (i.e. Bill Watters from Toronto's AM 640 on WGR - i think thats who I heard last month) have said that Connolly has way more talent than Briere. Fair enough. But it's hard to help from the press box.

 

I hope I'm proven wrong, but I don't have faith that Connolly will be able to stay healthy to help the Sabres in 2008-09 and beyond.

 

 

 

*****

Link & prophetic commentary from the time of TC's signing

 

from http://forums.sabres.com/lofiversion/index.php/t8434.html

 

hnfjwJul 28 2006, 05:19 PM

not sure why they wouldn't let Timmy Go and use that money towards a UFA or present players (Briere, Afin...)

as good as he is (and Game 1 of the Sens was my Fav. Sabre game last year and Connelly was dominant) he is glass...

we won't have him for the playoffs cause he will not be heathly enough for that long.

 

Since 2003 he's played a total of 71 games

 

but when healthy he's a good player... but he's never healthy for long.

 

*****

[tom webster]

Tom, "fast approaching joke status" can only apply to your apparent lack of understanding of the game. If you don't understand the relationship between plus/minus and the PK, then you're beyond help.

 

Your constant belittling of "Tiny Tim" is the type of commentary I'd expect of a kid. How old did you say you were again? Do you really think Connolly WANTS to suffer the injuries he has been through? Grow up, old man.

 

Nod, there is little to correlation between plus/minus and pk. Vanek was a plus 43 last year and has never seen pk time. Some of the best pk players have zero to just above or below because they are defensive specialist and are on for little to no offensive output plus they are on for more than their share of goal against because they are playing the other team's best offensive players.

 

You showed your lack of understanding for the game when you had no idea that power play goals against count zero in the plus minus rankings not to mention your lack of knowledge regarding Buffalo's injury situation this year. As for Connolly, Tim just doesn't have what it takes to play in this league on a consistent level and his contract cost this team some good players.

 

You know I know more about the game than you and your constant attempts to call me into question aren't lost on me. It hasn't gone unnoticed how you won't respond to certain things and the more you try to show your knowledge the more you show how little you understand. Let me help. The nuances of plus/minus seem to be lost on you. Just stick to "he isn't worth what they're paying him." I don't think anyone on this board will argue that point.

 

As for the personal attacks, like I said before, when you have the truth, bang the truth, when you have the law, bang the law, when you have neither, bang the table.

 

Have a good day, Mr Connolly

 

EDIT: 48 doesn't seem so old anymore

[tom webster]

A Riddle for Nod and Deluca.

 

Hypothesis espoused by the above; PK ability and plus/minus are correlated.

 

Entered into evidence; In 2005/2006, Buffalo was second in the league in penalty killing and their top pk team was Chris Drury and Mike Grier.

 

Results; Grier -7, Drury -11

 

Take time to respond. Before you give me the old "exception to the rule' reasoning, do your own research.

 

Hey Nod, maybe it was that overrated goalie who can't handle the puck.

[carpandean]

Maybe I'm missing it, but I believe that Nod/Deluca meant that both a bad +/- and not being put on the PK can be indicators of a lack of defensive ability, not that one is necessarily directly related to the other. Tom, you gave examples of guys who had bad +/-, but saw plenty of PK time in Grier and Drury, as well as an example of guy with great +/- and no PK in Vanek. However, when one sees both a low +/- and no PK, it a strong indicator that he might not be very good defensively. We all know that +/- is highly influenced by situational effects, so in and of itself, it can be very misleading (for example, we all know how strong of two-way players Pominville and Hecht are, so Danny's positive +/- numbers here were probably more an indication of their play than his; at least on the lack of -, since he did help with the +.) Add to that the fact that the coaching staff doesn't consider the player defensively strong enough to take PK time, though, and it makes it less likely that it is misleading. It still may be, but the chances are reduced.

 

Of course, the best way to judge his ability is with your eyes and, having watched many of his games over the last few years, I have seen for myself that he is a one-way player. The real question is whether his offensive production, with Pommer and Hecht having to cover for him defensively, was worth $5-7 million per year. At the upper half of that range I say "definitely not" and at the lower end I say "probably not." The problem is that we replaced him with half of a Connolly, a little bit of Gaustad (which left a hole on the third line at center and Gaustad is not good enough at setting up to be a top two line center) and a bit of Hecht (leaving a hole at left wing and Hecht is not a true center). If we had replaced him with one of many other centers in the $3-6 million range, I don't think anyone would miss him right now.

[GoatheadInCT]

If we had replaced him with one of many other centers in the $3-6 million range, I don't think anyone would miss him right now.

 

IF... IF... that is the key to everything- but we did NOT. We could have signed Danny to a reasonable long term contract, but Regier played games.

Hence, we lost our chance at keeping him for a reasonable price and our experience suffered. That was my point, and we STILL

lack that experienced C...

[deluca67]

SO WHAT? We had Roy AND Briere, who scores a lot more meaningful goals than "scores in bunches in blowouts" Vanek! That 7 mil we shelled out for another never will be complete 2-way player Thomas Vanek could have easily kept Briere in the blue and gold.

 

If he wasn't that good, then how come the AWFUL Flyers made the playoffs this year? Magic? Stellar goaltending by Marty? An influx of mega talent? You continually ignore the the destructive nature of losing our experience- Roy or no Roy!

 

No matter what, you cannot explain off the Flyers sudden improvement and the Sabres sudden decline so easily... by discounting Danny's role, you only show how biased you are- whatever he did to your psyche has affected your control of logic.

Have you eve watched Vanek play? He is a +31 for his career and works hard in his own end. He is not a Selke winner by no means but at least the kid works at it unlike some other alleged superstars. Take a closer look at Vanek's and Briere's numbers and you will see that Vanek is on pace to leave all of Briere's numbers in the dust. Including power play goals and game winning goals. The plus/minus isn't even close.

[tom webster]

Maybe I'm missing it, but I believe that Nod/Deluca meant that both a bad +/- and not being put on the PK can be indicators of a lack of defensive ability, not that one is necessarily directly related to the other. Tom, you gave examples of guys who had bad +/-, but saw plenty of PK time in Grier and Drury, as well as an example of guy with great +/- and no PK in Vanek. However, when one sees both a low +/- and no PK, it a strong indicator that he might not be very good defensively. We all know that +/- is highly influenced by situational effects, so in and of itself, it can be very misleading (for example, we all know how strong of two-way players Pominville and Hecht are, so Danny's positive +/- numbers here were probably more an indication of their play than his; at least on the lack of -, since he did help with the +.) Add to that the fact that the coaching staff doesn't consider the player defensively strong enough to take PK time, though, and it makes it less likely that it is misleading. It still may be, but the chances are reduced.

 

Of course, the best way to judge his ability is with your eyes and, having watched many of his games over the last few years, I have seen for myself that he is a one-way player. The real question is whether his offensive production, with Pommer and Hecht having to cover for him defensively, was worth $5-7 million per year. At the upper half of that range I say "definitely not" and at the lower end I say "probably not." The problem is that we replaced him with half of a Connolly, a little bit of Gaustad (which left a hole on the third line at center and Gaustad is not good enough at setting up to be a top two line center) and a bit of Hecht (leaving a hole at left wing and Hecht is not a true center). If we had replaced him with one of many other centers in the $3-6 million range, I don't think anyone would miss him right now.

 

Carp,

My rant was meant mostly for Nod, who I am quite convinced knows next to nothing about hockey other then that he defends TG, hates Danny and thinks Connolly could be Crosby if only he played more. He has repeatedly questioned other posters credibility and hockey knowledge. Like TG, he is the one that keeps bringing up plus/minus. Originally, he thought that power play goals against counted against +/-. When we pointed out is error, he started with the whole correlation thing. The funny thing, while I consider Danny a valuable hockey player, I agree that he is a defensive liability and I wouldn't have paid him more than the $5 million he was offered by Buffalo way too late.

Deluca just got caught in the cross fire because as usual, he sometimes finds the need to be contrarian even though he knows better.

[apuszczalowski]

The Caps have their feet under them now. No more 'new to the playoffs' skittishness. They TOTALLY dominated the 3rd period. Philly WILL NOT be able to skate with these guys over the long haul. Caps keep coming at you in waves. Remind you of a certain team from a couple years ago? Philly's done in 4. 5 games max.

 

Good for Briere though. No reason not to like the guy just because he's on another team.

Still going with Caps in 5?

 

Marty looked pretty good getting a shutout in his 2nd playoff game yesterday.

 

And Tom, I never thought you were really that dumb, but I'm starting too, Why do you continually try and argue with Deluca? Haven't you figured it out by now that you will never convince him of anything, no matter what kind of facts or logic you throw at him?

[SabreNod]

SO WHAT? We had Roy AND Briere, who scores a lot more meaningful goals than "scores in bunches in blowouts" Vanek! That 7 mil we shelled out for another never will be complete 2-way player Thomas Vanek could have easily kept Briere in the blue and gold.

 

If he wasn't that good, then how come the AWFUL Flyers made the playoffs this year? Magic? Stellar goaltending by Marty? An influx of mega talent? You continually ignore the the destructive nature of losing our experience- Roy or no Roy!

 

No matter what, you cannot explain off the Flyers sudden improvement and the Sabres sudden decline so easily... by discounting Danny's role, you only show how biased you are- whatever he did to your psyche has affected your control of logic.

 

 

Goat, take the blinders off. You're barking around important stuff.

 

* The market for Briere was ludicrously inflated. Overpaying a 1-way guy who had already disappeared in the playoffs, especially when we had a BETTER player coming up with the same offensive skills who could actually back check and contribute to the PK (Roy), would have been STUPID.

 

* You'll feel differently about Vanek when he consistently puts up 35-55 goals every year. Guys with Vanek's skills are hard to find. And he's one of the very BEST at what he does.

 

* Yea, the Flyers made the playoffs and we didn't. Your simple reasoning is that it's because of Briere, which is just plain funny. Nobody who finishes -22 without any PK work is not THE reason why a team makes the playoffs. They made it in spite of him. Go talk to some Flyers fans about how they feel about Briere's contribution this year and his value relative to his salary. Maybe you'll stop basing your opinions on your emotions. Look at ALL the moves the Flyers made...that team has so much offensive talent right now it's ridiculous.

 

* I liked Briere when he was a Sabre. But if we had paid him the contract the Flyers gave him I'd have been pissed. That was an irresponsible contract for a guy like Briere. Paying Roy, the better and more complete player at a better value, was a stroke of great foresight. But most fans aren't in the emotional position to be crediting DR with anything right now.

[SabreNod]

Don't let em bring you down SabreNod

 

 

Nevvah!

 

;)

[Kristian]

Have you eve watched Vanek play? He is a +31 for his career and works hard in his own end. He is not a Selke winner by no means but at least the kid works at it unlike some other alleged superstars. Take a closer look at Vanek's and Briere's numbers and you will see that Vanek is on pace to leave all of Briere's numbers in the dust. Including power play goals and game winning goals. The plus/minus isn't even close.

 

It's very easy to overlook, but Vanek actually had no fewer than 9 GWG this year.

 

That's right, 9.

 

I'm one of the people who thinks he disappears a lot, but 9 GWG it's pretty damn good. He's tied for third in the league with Iginla and Brad Boyes.

 

Guess who was the last Sabre with 9 GWG in a season? Yup, Chris Drury.

[SabreNod]

Re: Tim Connolly

 

When management signed TC in 2006 it was after his concussion injury in the OTT playoff series. Given his injury history and the potential impact of concussions on a career (see Lindros, Brett) that was a big risk. With 50 regular season games played and 0 playoff goals scored by TC over 2 seaons , it's fair to suggest that the signing hasn't turned out as planned.

 

While he did come back for the 2007 playoff run, I'm not sure TC really helped that much - the Sabres already had a roster filled with skilled finesse type forwards. Too many of the same type of player in the 07 playoffs the critics said - and they may have had a point.

 

With Briere out of town and Connolly on IR the Sabres actually had forwards that hit people getting on the ice regularly near the end of the 2007-08 season (i.e. Kaleta, Mair, Guastad, etc.) which is something to look forward to next year, IMO>

 

The conventional wisdom was that Connolly would replace Briere's production in 2007-08. Tough to do with 48 games played. Impartial observers with no axe to grind (i.e. Bill Watters from Toronto's AM 640 on WGR - i think thats who I heard last month) have said that Connolly has way more talent than Briere. Fair enough. But it's hard to help from the press box.

 

I hope I'm proven wrong, but I don't have faith that Connolly will be able to stay healthy to help the Sabres in 2008-09 and beyond.

*****

Link & prophetic commentary from the time of TC's signing

 

from http://forums.sabres.com/lofiversion/index.php/t8434.html

 

hnfjwJul 28 2006, 05:19 PM

not sure why they wouldn't let Timmy Go and use that money towards a UFA or present players (Briere, Afin...)

as good as he is (and Game 1 of the Sens was my Fav. Sabre game last year and Connelly was dominant) he is glass...

we won't have him for the playoffs cause he will not be heathly enough for that long.

 

Since 2003 he's played a total of 71 games

 

but when healthy he's a good player... but he's never healthy for long.

 

*****

 

 

I agree, tasker, that Connolly presents a really tough situation. His hands are as good as any star in the league, and he hasn't played at 100% in a long time. He has 100-point talent and you don't want to let that walk away...they say his issues should be behind him at this point, barring a new injury (which would probably make many fans want to turn the page) and I wouldn't be surprised if DR "bets the come" on him again with a modest extension designed with the hope that his injured days are behind him. Really tough call to make given his history and skill set.

[apuszczalowski]

Goat, take the blinders off. You're barking around important stuff.

 

* The market for Briere was ludicrously inflated. Overpaying a 1-way guy who had already disappeared in the playoffs, especially when we had a BETTER player coming up with the same offensive skills who could actually back check and contribute to the PK (Roy), would have been STUPID.

 

* You'll feel differently about Vanek when he consistently puts up 35-55 goals every year. Guys with Vanek's skills are hard to find. And he's one of the very BEST at what he does.

 

* Yea, the Flyers made the playoffs and we didn't. Your simple reasoning is that it's because of Briere, which is just plain funny. Nobody who finishes -22 without any PK work is not THE reason why a team makes the playoffs. They made it in spite of him. Go talk to some Flyers fans about how they feel about Briere's contribution this year and his value relative to his salary. Maybe you'll stop basing your opinions on your emotions. Look at ALL the moves the Flyers made...that team has so much offensive talent right now it's ridiculous.

 

* I liked Briere when he was a Sabre. But if we had paid him the contract the Flyers gave him I'd have been pissed. That was an irresponsible contract for a guy like Briere. Paying Roy, the better and more complete player at a better value, was a stroke of great foresight. But most fans aren't in the emotional position to be crediting DR with anything right now.

Wasn't he the teams leading scorer in the playoffs last year? Not bad for a guy that disapeared in the playoffs. If he disapeared, Id' hate to know what Max had to do to get benched and Vanek almost getting benched, for the second year in a row

 

And Vanek has the potential (and is being payed like) to be very good at what he does, but he is not one of the very best in the league right now.

[apuszczalowski]

I agree, tasker, that Connolly presents a really tough situation. His hands are as good as any star in the league, and he hasn't played at 100% in a long time. He has 100-point talent and you don't want to let that walk away...they say his issues should be behind him at this point, barring a new injury (which would probably make many fans want to turn the page) and I wouldn't be surprised if DR "bets the come" on him again with a modest extension designed with the hope that his injured days are behind him. Really tough call to make given his history and skill set.

This is the same Connolly that had only 1 good year in his NHL career, the same one that most wanted to trade for a bag of pucks up until that one good year?

 

Its funny how fans overblow the talent level of the players they have, and will completly trash a player once they leave, or fear they will leave, just to convince themselves that management is doing the right thing, and it will hurt less

[tom webster]

Goat, take the blinders off. You're barking around important stuff.

 

* The market for Briere was ludicrously inflated. Overpaying a 1-way guy who had already disappeared in the playoffs, especially when we had a BETTER player coming up with the same offensive skills who could actually back check and contribute to the PK (Roy), would have been STUPID.

 

* You'll feel differently about Vanek when he consistently puts up 35-55 goals every year. Guys with Vanek's skills are hard to find. And he's one of the very BEST at what he does.

 

* Yea, the Flyers made the playoffs and we didn't. Your simple reasoning is that it's because of Briere, which is just plain funny. Nobody who finishes -22 without any PK work is not THE reason why a team makes the playoffs. They made it in spite of him. Go talk to some Flyers fans about how they feel about Briere's contribution this year and his value relative to his salary. Maybe you'll stop basing your opinions on your emotions. Look at ALL the moves the Flyers made...that team has so much offensive talent right now it's ridiculous.

 

* I liked Briere when he was a Sabre. But if we had paid him the contract the Flyers gave him I'd have been pissed. That was an irresponsible contract for a guy like Briere. Paying Roy, the better and more complete player at a better value, was a stroke of great foresight. But most fans aren't in the emotional position to be crediting DR with anything right now.

 

I think this double negative supports my position, but I will forgive the grammatical error. This post almost made sense except for your continued correlation of +/- and pk, your assertion that Danny disappeared in the playoffs(not a great series against Ottawa, but he was the high scorer) and your TG way rationalizing away their failure to sign him when he was affordable. No rational fan wanted to sign him for Flyer money, but that's a typical TG response. Your right, as well, the Flyers have a lot of offensive talent, just wondering, who led them in goals??

At least you changed from most Flyer's fans to some.

[tom webster]

I agree, tasker, that Connolly presents a really tough situation. His hands are as good as any star in the league, and he hasn't played at 100% in a long time. He has 100-point talent and you don't want to let that walk away...they say his issues should be behind him at this point, barring a new injury (which would probably make many fans want to turn the page) and I wouldn't be surprised if DR "bets the come" on him again with a modest extension designed with the hope that his injured days are behind him. Really tough call to make given his history and skill set.

 

Weren't his issues behind him after UB decided he had a neck problem and not a concussion? Exactly when was he 100%?

[X. Benedict]

Weren't his issues behind him after UB decided he had a neck problem and not a concussion? Exactly when was he 100%?

Game 1 Kanata 2006.

[tom webster]

Game 1 Kanata 2006.

 

 

He was fabulous that night and I was in Miami Beach, so who could ask for anythin more. You give me that night even half the year, and I would pay him $7 million per. The problem is that night, and the Philly series before equals 7 games in three years.

[SabreNod]

Nod, there is little to correlation between plus/minus and pk. Vanek was a plus 43 last year and has never seen pk time. Some of the best pk players have zero to just above or below because they are defensive specialist and are on for little to no offensive output plus they are on for more than their share of goal against because they are playing the other team's best offensive players.

 

You showed your lack of understanding for the game when you had no idea that power play goals against count zero in the plus minus rankings not to mention your lack of knowledge regarding Buffalo's injury situation this year. As for Connolly, Tim just doesn't have what it takes to play in this league on a consistent level and his contract cost this team some good players.

You know I know more about the game than you and your constant attempts to call me into question aren't lost on me. It hasn't gone unnoticed how you won't respond to certain things and the more you try to show your knowledge the more you show how little you understand. Let me help. The nuances of plus/minus seem to be lost on you. Just stick to "he isn't worth what they're paying him." I don't think anyone on this board will argue that point.

 

As for the personal attacks, like I said before, when you have the truth, bang the truth, when you have the law, bang the law, when you have neither, bang the table.

 

Have a good day, Mr Connolly

 

EDIT: 48 doesn't seem so old anymore

 

 

Okay, Tom, you've definitely earned Dolt of the Month. First, you spit back whatever is dealt to you...using the same general arguments in a mirror strategy. This is typically the response of someone who is feeling cornered in an argument.

 

Which you clearly are, considering you're telling me that I don't understand the game (mirroring my correct observation of you) because I said that the PK plays a role in plus/minus, which it absolutely does. (Still don't get it, do ya?)

 

Here, let me hold your hand a bit and reply to the items bolded above:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus/minus

 

Connolly's contract cost this team some good players? LOL, you sure do like pulling things out of your a$$, don't you?

 

Tom, I couldn't care less how much you THINK I know or don't know about the game. I'm not sure what reality you live in.

 

What "point" have I not responded to again?

 

You seem to want to play the back and forth game and get the last word in, again, like a kid. I'll let you have it - you're not worth debating with any more - not with your laughable claim that you know more about hockey because "power play goals against count zero in the plus minus rankings" LOL whatever Tom... you win (In your world)!

[apuszczalowski]

I think this double negative supports my position, but I will forgive the grammatical error. This post almost made sense except for your continued correlation of +/- and pk, your assertion that Danny disappeared in the playoffs(not a great series against Ottawa, but he was the high scorer) and your TG way rationalizing away their failure to sign him when he was affordable. No rational fan wanted to sign him for Flyer money, but that's a typical TG response. Your right, as well, the Flyers have a lot of offensive talent, just wondering, who led them in goals??

At least you changed from most Flyer's fans to some.

Prospal, but since he was a deadline acquisition he doesn't count, so that would be .........................

 

Briere - http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app?page=Stats&...=page&srt=p

 

Led them in goals, and second in points behind Carter. Not bad for a guy being booed, and not having a consistent linemate til the trade deadline.

 

What does this prove, Flyers fans will Boo anything and are complete morons, but we already knew that, except for the ones that decide to use that a reason for determining wheither a player is good or not.

 

Just a couple notes though

- I felt dirty slumming to the Flyers board to find that info

- Marty has freaky coloured eyes (the pic when you get to the page is kind of creepy, they don't look natural

- Type in Flyers.com into google, the site does not look like something you would expect a Flyers fan to have

[SabreNod]

This is the same Connolly that had only 1 good year in his NHL career, the same one that most wanted to trade for a bag of pucks up until that one good year?

 

Its funny how fans overblow the talent level of the players they have, and will completly trash a player once they leave, or fear they will leave, just to convince themselves that management is doing the right thing, and it will hurt less

 

 

Hey, Connolly is a tough call, I agree. It would be nice to have a crystal ball and see if he's going to stay healthy, but it's probably going to be a roll of the dice. When he plays, he creates like few people can.