nfreeman Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 i saw them at just <90 points and in the 9 or 10-slot - i would've been happy to have been very wrong.while i know it's not an apples-apples comparison, i do take some solace in the fact that, like us this year, montreal finished with 90 points and in 10th place in 06-07. go sabres. Good call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Was the league average for goal scoring down? Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Good call. thanks, free -- in my more optimistic moments, i focus on the fact that the two teams are built to play similar styles (thereby making them both "apples"). i firmly believe that our club is just a couple of tweaks and some more maturity/focus away from being right in the thick of things again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 thanks, free -- in my more optimistic moments, i focus on the fact that the two teams are built to play similar styles (thereby making them both "apples"). i firmly believe that our club is just a couple of tweaks and some more maturity/focus away from being right in the thick of things again. The Habs did go out and get Hamirlik for the D after losing Souray. (sp?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 thanks, free -- in my more optimistic moments, i focus on the fact that the two teams are built to play similar styles (thereby making them both "apples"). i firmly believe that our club is just a couple of tweaks and some more maturity/focus away from being right in the thick of things again. I'm with you that not that much is needed. If we wanted to take the comparison a step further, we could note: 1. both teams lost an offensive defenseman after their bad season (the habs lost Souray, the Sabres lost Soupy -- not quite after this year, but close to the end of the year). 2. the Habs brought in a top 4 UFA defenseman (Hamrlik, who was 2nd on the team in ice time this year), who is more of a defensive defenseman, after their offensive defenseman left as a FA -- I think most of us here are hoping the sabres do the same. 3. both teams had an enigmatic, skilled Russian forward have poor seasons during their bad year (Kovalev, Max) -- and Kovy had a huge rebound year this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 3. both teams had an enigmatic, skilled Russian forward have poor seasons during their bad year (Kovalev, Max) -- and Kovy had a huge rebound year this year. That's as far as the comparison should go. Max can have his huge rebound year somewhere else as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 3. both teams had an enigmatic, skilled Russian forward have poor seasons during their bad year (Kovalev, Max) -- and Kovy had a huge rebound year this year. I wish Max was 1/2 the player Kovalev is. His finishing ability and hitting put him in a different stratosphere although I think he is even more streaky than Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightrider Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Was the league average for goal scoring down? Anyone know? Thanks to the link earlier in the thread... Goals scored last year was 7082, and this year was 6691. So we lost nearly 391 goals this season, and 752 when comparing to the 05-06 season. When comparing 07-08 to 05-06: There were 34 more even strength goals (5 on 5) in 07-08 There were 70 fewer SH goals There were 68 fewer 4 on 4 goals (one more 3 on 3) There were 669 fewer PP goals There were 37 more empty netters There were 297 fewer 1st period goals There were 254 fewer 2nd period goals There were 181 fewer 3rd period goals There were 20 fewer OT goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Thanks to the link earlier in the thread... Goals scored last year was 7082, and this year was 6691. So we lost nearly 391 goals this season, and 752 when comparing to the 05-06 season. When comparing 07-08 to 05-06: There were 34 more even strength goals (5 on 5) in 07-08 There were 70 fewer SH goals There were 68 fewer 4 on 4 goals (one more 3 on 3) There were 669 fewer PP goals There were 37 more empty netters There were 297 fewer 1st period goals There were 254 fewer 2nd period goals There were 181 fewer 3rd period goals There were 20 fewer OT goals So....looking at it like that, our goal decline isn't that bad, but our goals against is worse. If I'm figuring that right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 So....looking at it like that, our goal decline isn't that bad, but our goals against is worse. If I'm figuring that right No, our goals against has held steady the last few years, and actually improved slightly this season: 2005-06 - 234 GA; 2.85 GA/Game 2006-07 - 238 GA; 2.90 GA/Game 2007-08 - 233 GA; 2.84 GA/Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightrider Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 So....looking at it like that, our goal decline isn't that bad, but our goals against is worse. If I'm figuring that right Yep. Miller's stats look the same, but his contemporaries got better. Those numbers make you wonder how the 05-06 crew would have fared this season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 No, our goals against has held steady the last few years, and actually improved slightly this season: 2005-06 - 234 GA; 2.85 GA/Game 2006-07 - 238 GA; 2.90 GA/Game 2007-08 - 233 GA; 2.84 GA/Game I was thinking in terms of the league scoring is down so our goals against should be down, but it stayed basically the same. So our scoring was down, following the league trend but the goals against went against the trend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I was thinking in terms of the league scoring is down so our goals against should be down, but it stayed basically the same. So our scoring was down, following the league trend but the goals against went against the trend In terms of league scoring going down, I guess so. I'd like to take a look at the teams in the playoffs the last few years and see how their numbers changed over the last few years to see if it is a league-wide thing or a handful of teams skewing the numbers. It shouldn't be surprising that the team's GA numbers have remained stagnant, though - we are still one of the few teams to play an all-out attacking/pond hockey system that surrenders a lot of odd-man rushes and premium scoring ops against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Total goals against for the last three years. Teams that really standout to me - Boston and Philly both shaved 70 goals off last season's total, Phoenix dropped 57 goals, Washington dropped 48 goals, while Columbus knocked 34 off last year; Detroit - 179 GA, Anaheim 184, San Jose - 187GA - 1-2-3 in the league; Ottawa +36 goals over last year; Rangers' much-maligned D allowed just 190 GA, 4th-best in NHL. BTW - Detroit was the 3rd-highest scoring team this year and the stingiest defense. Guess some teams have figured out how to score consistently while playing solid defense. Team 05-06 06-07 07-08 ANA 222 198 184 ATL 270 241 266 BOS 258 285 215 BUF 234 238 233 CAR 258 248 246 CBJ 276 244 210 CGY 193 221 224 CHI 279 251 231 COL 251 247 216 DAL 217 193 204 DET 206 191 179 EDM 242 245 247 FLA 252 249 220 LAK 269 277 263 MIN 212 184 210 MTL 244 251 216 NJD 225 193 193 NSH 224 207 224 NYI 275 235 240 NYR 211 211 190 OTT 205 216 242 PHI 253 297 227 PHX 268 282 225 PIT 310 240 212 SJS 235 197 187 STL 284 248 232 TBL 256 259 266 TOR 263 262 256 VAN 251 197 206 WSH 300 275 227 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightrider Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 In terms of league scoring going down, I guess so. I'd like to take a look at the teams in the playoffs the last few years and see how their numbers changed over the last few years to see if it is a league-wide thing or a handful of teams skewing the numbers. It shouldn't be surprising that the team's GA numbers have remained stagnant, though - we are still one of the few teams to play an all-out attacking/pond hockey system that surrenders a lot of odd-man rushes and premium scoring ops against. When comparing 07-08 to 05-06 Playoff teams: There were 326 fewer goals against in 07-08 playoff teams There were 2 fewer even strength goals (5 on 5) in 07-08 There were 40 fewer SH goals There were 28 fewer 4 on 4 goals (2 more 3 on 3 goals) There were 274 fewer PP goals There were 25 more empty netters No time to do it period by period... I think you get the info you were looking for, though. It looks league wide, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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