JP51

So true lol and it does work for him. Seems to work in reverse for the Sabres... all those that go elsewhere and seem to thrive...

Quite honestly, mot sure I want to spend assets on a talented player who is under performing and bring him here to re ignite... just seems like a recipe for more wasted assets.

There is a few players that do... but they are slowly beating the fight out of them... a la Ryan Oreilly

I think it is a common theme with those who have been in this cesspool... with the exception of Bylsma like 10 years later I really can think of 1 person in this disorganization who has been here post Ruff 1 as GM or Coach that has gotten an equivalent job in the industry after participating in this mess. Just thinking off the top of my head... (Reiger, Murray, LaFontaine, Botterill, Kreuger, Rolston, Housley, Meatballs, Brandon, Nolan, and lord knows if and when Adams gets fired he will join this list.)

Anyone with a brain would want out

I could see that... I really should have said BIG trade... thats what I was thinking but I was absolutely not clear about that. My thinking is that if your are gonna bring in a Top 6 difference maker they are gonna want one of your top prospects.

I am pretty sure if there is a trade it will involve 1 or both of these two...

Yes Talent - Plenty Hockey Players - few

I cant believe that its got legs... I think the Miracle on ice was a pedestrian win compared to what level of anomaly would be required for this team to leapfrog 7 teams and get 60 out of 80 points or something like that... people want to hope.. we love hockey, we want our favorite to win ... we hate that there is seemingly no hope, it looks like no one cares... and when they do address our frustrations they belittle, push off, and talk to us like we aren't seeing what we are seeing. Talk about despair... but in the end any glimmer I think is going to be hung on too by some until it is ultimately dashed again... conversely, 1 loss will send folks into a tailspin of despair. The good news is people are so emotional about it... it means they care... but if things don't change, we are perilously close to mass apathy and that is when its over...

I just want whatever we need to completely gut the entire operating FO and replace them with competence and have Terry understand that he cannot get in the way to happen... I just dont think it will... but if your scenario gets it done. I am in.

Indeed, that as well especially if it is another collapse or a$$ whoopin.

I think this is pivitol... not so much for the season or the playoffs... but the psyche of the team.. coming off a 13 game winless streak... rattle off 3 in a row a feat which this team has rarely accomplished in the recent decades... to dropping 3 in a row... I think a loss here could send them on another protracted losing streak... a win helps them from falling into the abyss especially another home game getting booed off the ice... either way I see nothing but pain, disappointment and despair ahead but I do think this game is a bit of tipping point if they lose it.

I was thinking the same thing LOL

honestly even Benson, there is no one I would say is off limits... to trade it depends on the return... like you pull off a massive Blockbuster and try to get say mcDavid... well guess what, if they want Benson, Dahlin etc... thats what you are giving up. No one thought when the Sabres were trading for La Fontaine that they would put Fifi on the market... but they wanted Turgeon so.. off he went... When... that moves to it depends on the return.. I simply do not trust the current management to obtain a return with the types of players required to build this team... so, whenever there is a new and competent GM, POHO or whatever would be the time... if you are telling me that is never gonna happen... then I really dont know how to respond, because it wont matter anyways... I know this... I do not want KA making decisions with our assets against competent GMs, nor do I want him reforming the core and direction of this team.

Pretty true analysis i think with the exception of zucker any trades he makes make us worse and FA he signs cost us money and produce very little result. This is a horrific combination I was relieved when the trade with Pittsburgh was a big nothing burger 🍔 I was scared to see what havoc he might have reeked

I am resisting the urge to shout Stanley Cup here we come as i wonder if this isnt a pre cursor to something else... guess time will tell...

Everyone is fair game depending on the price except maybe Benson or Dahlin, but depending on the package I could be enticed. I would put them on the market right after the FO is cleared out and a competent GM and POHO are hired.

As hard as I have been on Adams its not hard to fathom the failure (although I totally get what you are saying) I think the ship has been rudderless almost even before Pegula because of financial resources, but definitely rudderless with Pegula. Adams is just the typical unqualified GM that Sheppard's a rudderless process. So to me firing Adams isnt enough... I think there needs to be a purposeful direction set by a competent POHO and GM that number 1 Pegula agrees to step away from and allow to do their thing, just provide resources... this to me is more than players, its scouting, internal operations etc... Once they have an opportunity to assess let them make the decisions on if a tear down or a re tool is needed. But something needs to change. I just don't know the extent of the change cause I am not a GM with the direction etc... I personally think the FO needs to be blown up and a major re tool on the players... But... if TP fires Adams and goes to Pittsburgh to hire an assistant cause he likes them, or tries to lure away Ben Johnson from the Detroit lions like he did Kreuger cause he believes in the style... etc.. or bring in Gil Perrault because he was his idol... then nothing will change... He needs to leave his fan boy parochial view of the game behind and start to run it like a professional organization where players play, coaches coach, GMs manage owners own and provide resource... this also means a commitment to funding the entire organization including traveling scouts if his GM, POHO deem that necessary. He needs to do all of these things just to bring the team up to the level of a legitimate NHL organization. Then they can begin to build. He has done this with the Bills... if you look at them under Wilson when he got older... he hired Buddy Nix without any other interviews because he knew the name... Russ Brandon because he was like his son , cash to the cap etc... the result was a rudderless bad to almost mediocre team for decades. Pegula changed that when he did the above. That is what needs to be done here.

I feel like we need to sit over a bourbon and a splief and solve the worlds problems the rabbit hole would not be deep enough LOL..😆

I can only imagine what it would be like to be in the middle of a 14 game streak like that, getting beat bad, or blowing leads, being booed etc... kind of a vicious self fullfilling prophecy of confidence... the only thing to break that was to win... even after 1 game it could have all gone bad... if the next game was a dud... but to string a few in a row together... has got to be really helpful for the psyche of these players for sure.

Quite honestly I was thinking Tuch would get the C. I understand why Dahlin has it but Tuch seems the more obvious leader maybe Dahlin grows into it i think he tries I think Tuch is more natural

That's really what 3 meant... they believe they are on the right course and do nothing i just re read it totally not clear closed the poll

I am kinda with you i do think that this losing streak was a bit of an aberration to be repeated maybe a small move enough improvement to pull back the pitchforks but ultimately if change is coming it will be the off season or at minimum after the Bills are done or trade deadline

Interested in people view here... Do we start winning and stay the course, wait till the offseason for changes, clean out FO now, start trading players now?... My guess is that we continue on this path and see how it plays out, ultimate they will need to make a change in the offseason, not sure absent another long losing streak TP pulls that trigger in season.

this is precisely correct... they are not built for the type of hockey played as we get closer to the playoffs... .anything over 500 hockey from them would be shocking and clearly show some improvement.