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But not necessarily many points. 1-0 is fine by me if it's our 1. If you're suggesting we would have won with this team and good goaltending we disagree. It's not enough. Our D would have exposed many goalies. If you're suggesting it's a team sport and you need solid play everywhere I agree.

I don't think you have to apologize for being hard on Adams, you're absolutely right. SO FAR he has done nothing right or simply nothing. I don't agree with the 130 points argument though. It's about winning games not guys with points. We didn't win with them. We didn't win with Skinner adding over 40 goals to them. Scoring stats don't matter when you're losing all the time. We need a different approach. I will say this, and it won't be popular, but as skilled as Eichel is, he has been consistently shut down by solid 2 ways players like Bergeron when they went head to head in games that mattered to our opponents. We rarely even saw first string goalies and top efforts from opponents cause they didn't need them. The young loose team at the end of this season has a long way to go but it performed better and with more effort overall. I firmly believe if we get a pick and 2 top prospects that work out, maybe a little more, we will win this trade and that GM will indeed be fired in a few years.

Oh I know. Why I was advocating for Dudley and Gallant and so on. It's possible our guy is a good hire but it's definitely no sure thing.

I think any GM would be insane to make the trade without getting a medical clearance of some sort from their team doctors as a condition. If there's any doubts or there's a timeline for recovery issue the deal can always be a conditional one like if Eichel starts the season the 2nd round pick becomes a first etc. that sort of thing. In any event, Eichel is worth more this we mostly all agree.

Probably, but that's what everybody said about the New York Islanders when they lost Tavares for nothing. We're getting something back. A lot of somethings.

With all due respect I don't think this is a difficult question. Jack has much more value but Sam is easier to trade. Regardless of what people like me think of him Sam is prime age and he had a solid end to the season. the perception should be that he is at peak value and other GMs should be thinking all he needs is some good linemates and this guy will totally break out. So he should be easy to trade, but you get more for Jack with only one caveat, and that is the injury. If there is substantially more to that than we know it's a potential problem but I personally don't think it is. I still believe Eichel, or more specifically his agent, is just using the injury disconnect as a pathway to the exit door. So Sam should get you a first rounder and a decent player or prospect Jack should get you a first rounder, 2 really top prospects and maybe more in a roster player and/or cap casualty. (Risto gets you a low first rounder if you're lucky, maybe a second. Skinner gets you a bag of chips and a coke if you retain salary.)

Hate them both. Just don't care. Cheaters and well, the f'n habs. With Robert dying, it just ain't right.

For the perception that they turned over every rock and investigated every option, when it's been the simplest, cheapest, and easiest option all along.

I could be wrong, but personally I think Dach is going to be as good as Getzlaf was.

Exactly, and don't forget the no movement clause kicking in. Well they'd have to have that talk but Jack has already publicly had his presser and stated Jack has to think about Jack. This conversation happens what's to stop him from looking back at KA and saying "hey, why don't you go chat with Jeff..........." Honestly, we already had the Taylor Hall crap and we have the Skinner crap and there's no way to control thee guys if they quit on this team and just hang in the country club slacking.

really? Why? I can confirm this. I remember you being very high on Rossi from early on.

We really should be finding a way to get Merzlikins off them before the expansion draft though. Doesn't have to be the Eichel deal but we have a spot open to protect a goalie and that's the prime candidate as they will lose him to the Kraken if they don't deal him somewhere.

You're not wrong, but I don't think the fanbase matters to them. There will be some on the get him out of here side and others on the don't trade our best player get more good players and never the twain shall they meet. the verdict either way is if we start to win after the deal or non deal. Then the other side of the fanbase jumps back aboard the bandwagon. Personally I just don't see how the team can function in a healthy team manner if your star player wants out or has issues with the club over medical concerns etc. That attitude has to leak in and it can be toxic for a new young core that you're trying to build with. Last thing you want is for these young guys to watch the toxicity and start making their own future exit plans when they hit rfa status etc. We need a positive team attitude.

Well nobody's really "out" and it's all just rumours but there's a bunch of LA insider type posts saying they're out or backed off etc. I think Dach is a great player and he'd be a wonderful pick up in any deal. Had to laugh though, I saw one Chicago site putting Nylander in their package to us. Too funny.

Starting to wonder if Adams isn't pricing himself out of the possible markets. LA is apparently out, now Columbus is out, so Anaheim? Maybe Vegas bowing out to Montreal peaks their interest in a change/addition.

That would actually be pretty cool. The whole game with wooden sticks fits the lumber industry history around there too. Many marketing opportunities. Potential cheerleader outfits perhaps along the lines of:

Let's just hope it wasn't verbal and he meant "weak" .

Did they just pick him for the name/marketing? Hak' for the Krak' ? idk, he had an okay record with the Flyers but not great. Not sure what style he'll be advocating. I'm surprised. I thought they'd go with Tochet.

I get that. We could. But we also have to understand that not many are going to be happy being sent here until we start showing signs of life. I mean if you were a player (other than maybe a local boy or St. Catherines etc.) would you be happy getting traded to Buffalo, dead last team? Only guys who need ice time and career reboots (Lazar types) are going to relish the opportunity. KA would have to be granted permission to talk to them prior to the trade imo. No way do you want to risk trading one disgruntled superstar for a guy who doesn't want to really come here. He'd have to be absolutely sure.

They've been like that for most of the playoffs. Just kind of hang around, hang around, and then strong finish for end of third or OT. Tampa likely wins still but game 7 anything can happen.

ya, so looking at the title here, this should be announced........................now?

As much as I like Cirelli as a player I'm not sure bringing in a guy sitting on top of the world (likely 2 cup winner) and sending him to the bottom of the league is going to land well on him and motivate him to give his all. Maybe, I suppose it depends on his personality, but I think it's risky. Dealing for young guys from lower teams like LA and Anaheim might be the smarter play.

Exactly what I don't want. No ROR V2. Fresh and young and let them grow as a group.

Oh no, that's all I wanted to know. We pick first and I've been in on Power all the way but it has just seemed like you preferred other players. So basically no argument or discussion needed unless we snag another top pick in a deal.

Maybe for Eichel, but what about Merzlikins and their 1st for Reinhart? Or something similar. More rumours around about Chicago. I have to admit the idea of Dach coming here in some package gets me a little excited. The current rumours also have the Eichel price way too high (saying as many as 6 picks and players as a return) for most and I assume KA is just negotiating and the expansion draft deadline plays into things.