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Double standards. I show the source references CDC uses and they’re glossed over by the ones jumping to conclusions based on poor statistics. Why are you getting high and mighty about quotes and paraphrases when nobody here is willing to talk p values and n=14 studies with controls having no clue about vaccination status being junk science?

I’m vaccinated myself. My focus of caution has been for younger females. Y’all need to stop putting words in people’s mouths and thinking they’re extremists.

The opposite was never proven to be true. Only theorized. I linked the four ‘studies’ the CDC used to justify those statements earlier and they’re all questionable and hopeful at best. Y’all must not science much to be working in such ultimatums.

The absurd claims that the vaccine is perfectly safe and anyone who dares question this should be banished. Fact is the innocent marker protein isn’t so innocent. And even the original rat study for LNP localization showed liver and ovary build up. Any scientist claiming that the high dose somehow is proof it can’t spread in humans is selling snake oil. There’s no shortage of breakthrough medicines discovered every year and they all fall apart in human trials because drug delivery is so damn difficult. mRNA was no exception until politicians had motive to throw all caution to the side to get a cure all.

Mods are apparently unable to go back a few posts and read links to now? Walensky said CDC investigations have found that the amount of virus present in vaccinated people infected with Delta is similar to the levels found in unvaccinated people with Delta infections. That's an indication that vaccinated people can easily transmit the virus — even though they're less likely to get sick on the whole. https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-fully-vaccinated-people-can-spread-delta-variant-2021-7?op=1

https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/02/08/covid-19-can-affect-the-blood-its-spike-protein-may-be-the-culprit/

You’re the one who made those claims. The Director literally said the vaccine isn’t lowering the spread of delta variant. You’re blaming on unvaccinated to create a divide the very person you hold holy disagrees with.

Link to director is a few posts ago Sweden being in the clear and the US going through a second wave is callous? Empathy isn’t what policy should be made from. If they wanted to end a million deaths per year tomorrow they’d enforce speed limits. Policy draws a line everywhere.

The all knowing eleven who fully understands how vaccines with respiratory viruses and mutations work. The spike protein is a coagulant on its own. Fact. If the spike protein or generation of it leaves the injection site it can cause blood clots, fact. The novel mRNA treatment with a novel delivery mechanism is not thoroughly studied is also a fact. The one rat model isn’t proof of anything. Silencing people because you don’t understand the science well enough? How Democratic of you. It’s not screaming fire in a threater to be hesitant.

This is pure misinformation. The CDC director literally came out last month contradicting your assertions here, particularly with regards to the Delta variant. They even said it seems odd given the intent of the method, but they can’t argue with the facts. Instead here you are with complete conspiracy heresay about the source and outbreaks. The irony is completely surpassing you.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2021/07/is-sweden-vindicated-on-covid/

The vaccine is just going to prevent deaths. It’s a respiratory disease — it’s not going to stop transmission. If this hasn’t been clear you’ve been wishful thinking and not listening to the unbiased scientists this whole time. There is a good argument we should have not done anything significant and let it run it’s course and we’d be better off. Just quarantine the elderly. Didn’t help standard medical protocol accelerated people’s deaths early on. There are countries like Sweden who followed this approach on and they’re doing fine.

Nothing has ever said stopped. They stated ‘growing body of evidence’ and ‘reduce’. I then linked that growing body of evidence that is clearly all no better than wishful thinking but wi the huge fundamental flaws as far as data science goes. Go search for the CDC director who clearly says it doesn’t stop transmission and how the Delta variant is showing breakthrough which would undermine most of the wishful ‘reduction’ claims. If you think this is a non answer then stop replying here’s a link: https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/30/cdc-report-shows-vaccinated-people-can-spread-covid-19/

Well the one debate from the get go is vaccines that don’t kill only mitigate will accelerate the mutation of the strains and is why they’re getting strong enough now to get kids sick.

Please point out the lie

I can’t help you if you can’t distinguish those statements. The nuance is what science is all about. It’s pretty clear.

That’s all there is

All they’ve done is a few very tiny studies show a lower viral load. Read the references. None of which have statistical power of any sort to them. The statement above is pure conjecture. Presenting otherwise is BAD science. There is much better data/science that ivermectin Dave’s patients than there is to back this claim. Jones NK, Rivett L, Seaman S, Samworth RJ, Warne B, Workman C, et al. Single-dose BNT162b2 vaccine protects against asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection. Elife. 2021;10. Levine-Tiefenbrun M, Yelin I, Katz R, Herzel E, Golan Z, Schreiber L, et al. Initial report of decreased SARS-CoV-2 viral load after inoculation with the BNT162b2 vaccine. Nat Med. 2021;27(5):790-2. McEllistrem MC, Clancy CJ, Buehrle DJ, Lucas A, Decker BK. Single dose of a mRNA SARS-CoV-2 vaccine is associated with lower nasopharyngeal viral load among nursing home residents with asymptomatic COVID-19. Clin Infect Dis. 2021. Petter E MO, Zuckerman N, et al. Initial real world evidence for lower viral load of individuals who have been vaccinated by BNT162b2. medRxiv. 2021;https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.08.21251329v1external icon.

Yes. Though I will argue for healthy individuals below 35 the risk reduction is very debateable. Granted that excludes all the obese people that’s 70% of the populace.. but I’ll digress Same with all the nonsense with kids now. The ones dying are the morbidly obese kids yet they’re making it out to be something else. It’s Darwinism finally catching up

CDC outright has stated repeatedly it doesnt stop anyone from transmitting. They also have never shown any data on reductions of transmissions related to vaccine status. It’s been entirely lockdowns/masks and no controlled studies on the former. But you’re the oh so expert I’m sure. Government has never done any wrong. you’re doing a great job making enemies and dehumanizing people being critical of their government. Real freaking brave of you.

The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread. Y’all claim to understand science yet keep stumbling over this same nonsense. A schoolteacher who is immunocompromised needs to find a new job. Seriously. I’m sure the government and school can figure something out. Blaming kids for not wearing masks or mask mandates is silly. Kids eat each other’s boogers that’s what they do. Masks don’t stop that. It just stunts their growth. Though I’m not surprised, schools approach to having one kid with peanut allergies is prevent everyone in the school from having peanuts at all. Not a lot of common sense.

Professionals aren’t a cult of a single opinion, lol Self hating? The self awareness goes beyond you

There were plenty of doctors who followed the science and not the WHO and CDC *****. Remember the WHO who specifically stated it’s not contagious or other nonsense? There were plenty of good doctors who looked at lack of deaths in asthmatics for a respiratory disease and put the corticosteroid link together really quick. The problem is we have a whole generation of doctors who don’t prognose anything anymore- they just spit out the recommendations the computer built by the insurance company says and then try to regurgitate the nonsense to you without you realizing they’re reading a script. And those standard protocols were just wrong. No conspiracy early on, they had to make a guess the first couple of months and did what they thought was conservative. The cover up and corruption was what came later. When they tried to change course. Or they refused to change course. Or the nonsense you see here where they were too busy telling everyone they were heroes and didnt want to admit they screwed up or were clueless. Again, I’m not against vaccines. I’m just not buying the narrative it’s been BS all along and you’re lapping it up. Y’all called us conspiracy when we said last February the level 4 lab in wuhan had an escape was the source. Faucis highest paid recipient of virus funding research then wrote an article published by Nature that purposefully misled everyone to believe that couldn’t have been the case, only for us to find out over a year later not only was it all true but the gain of function research itself was US funded. Seems like conspiracy was right all along. And yes those esteemed alphabets and journals got swindled. Oops.

100% true. But how many of those would’ve died with another regular flu surge like in 2018? As more and more boomers are getting to critical ages? Likely a good chunk

Ooh nice straw man. Gr8 job m8 Lets see the points I was trying to make: scientists who all along we’re making judgement calls on risks: 1) were dead wrong on how to treat covid from the onset and got many more killed than necessary 2) argued against nearly harmless prophylactics because it differed from their approach in #1, 3) feds waited until there was an absurdly expensive option only the select few could approach, and otherwise held out until a vaccine was available. The vaccine does nothing to stop the spread and has clearly not gone through the normal rigor, but they pushed it anyway in historical fashion. Putting any fat person who comes in on dexamethasone is going to save more than it’ll hurt and could have been done on day 1 if they weren’t so arrogant. No centralized conspiracy here beyond what Fauci controlled. There were many moving players, many mistakes made, and many who admitted to their faults. But the narrative ignored all of that and doubled down on dividing people and pitting people against each other as if they are the reason normalcy can’t return. Your retort is somehow I’m being a hypocrite? I’m vaccinated I can weigh risks myself. No young female should touch the vaccine with a 10ft pole IMO, there are serious side effects in the ovaries that has been squashed and silenced thanks to useful idiots like you. They didn’t even test vaccines on women for decades because hormonal swings complicated the testing procedures. The methods essentially are written now to exclude all hormonal swings from the observations about vaccine studies to overcompensate for this and now we have a sham of a system that hurts women at the end of the day. And most scientists are little sheeplings like you and only understand their little nipple of knowledge and are unable to put the big picture all together. They just want to take this opportunity to lash back out at the people who made fun of them their whole lives. They just want to believe they’re smarter than the guy waving a flag. Science has turned into a religious cult and cults don’t discriminate based on IQ. The media has effectively emotionalized all issues and this nonsense you post is exactly the consequence of it- you’ve been trained to paint anyone who doesn’t pay your back with pointless straw man arguments to dehumanize me. Congrats dude, well played. Im not sitting in any corner that they are intentionally hurting people with a dangerous vaccine. But it’s fact there were plenty of alternatives with extremely well known side effects they actively discouraged and ignored. And the person leading that cause has been in bed with vaccine makers for decades. And once they had a solution he switched gears and accelerated the damn things in I prevented fashion. At Trumps request no doubt. It’s concerning you’d dare call that a conspiracy to point out that conflict of interest. I have nothing against vaccines, just transparency and action. And many people died because they got greedy. They wanted a sure fire solution only their friends had a monopoly on. And now real data is coming out about severe hormonal swings because the LNPs don’t stay in the arm like claimed. You have sham scientists making assumptions on studies that clearly showed non containment. They are sham scientists no matter their credentials. They threw out their abundance of caution to make a buck or make fame.