Derrico

Yes, there are better goalies out there then ullmark. But I think we have to consider opportunity cost. Just because a team exposes a better goaltender than Linus doesn't mean he will be the pick if that same team has a better forward or d available.

An apology from true and liger in 24 hour span. This may be a microphone drop moment and not post for awhile lol.

Lol. Come on man, there are a million reasons why housley will be a better coach then Bylsma but this is not one of them. Stanley cup is ultimate goal and housley holds the record for most games ever played to never win the Stanley cup. He's also never won it in his 4 years coaching. Bylsma came over with a Stanley cup coaching ring and one of the best winning percentage as a coach in NHL history.

Thanks buddy. Wow Ohio university? Congrats man.

Where is NS?

I don't like either but I hate Reinhart-Tanev much more.

No chance you get a similar return.

True, your probably my favorite poster on this site. But this is straw man. Who on this board actually wants to trade Sam just to trade him or for any reason listed above. It sometimes feels like a crime if you even consider the possibility of trying to trade Sam for D help or suggest we don't screw with him being what he is right now: a high end winger.

Fair points True. Oh I couldn't stand DD either. Why the heck were they not moving him to centre when the playoffs were out of reach? To dudacek can I just say that after all these points I don't want to trade Sam. I think he's a good to very good player that could help us win the ultimate goal. But our D is horrendous (maybe House changes some of that) but you have to give to get and I don't think Sam is untouchable. I also think he's an extremely effective winger even at this point in his career and he's a big part of our #1 PP. I'm not giving him away by any means. I think it was Randal that said he would trade him for a Hedman type but that probably won't happen based on the market for top D. I'm probably in that same camp.

Here's his game log. Point per game for 4 games in the middle but then went a bit quiet to end the month. http://www.espn.com/nhl/player/gamelog/_/id/5251/evander-kane

To be fair I was partly working off your window. Also, even if he did perform well for a few games between Kane and Bailey does that mean we forget the first stretch of games? I would love to see the exact games and numbers during that stretch, whenever it was. Come on Flagg!

Exactly. When we was a winger for 90% of that stretch.

That's a fair point. My point was I don't think he played well at all while centering a line last season. Also, I don't want him at third line centre because he's not playing with skilled enough players to succeed. I wouldn't move ROR or Eichel off the top lines so therefore he continues to play wing. Remember the days we were starving for centres :lol: Good problem to have.

Thanks.

Ok, you can't throw out an outrageous number and then completely back off it by saying small sample size because it doesn't fit your original point. Maybe, but I don't think so. True is right that it was while Eichel and Kane were hurt and it happened earlyish in the season. That's exactly when those dates where. If anyone has the exact games it would be appreciated. But I was basing it off these two articles. https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2016/10/sabres-reinhart-center.html https://www.diebytheblade.com/2016/10/23/13372930/sabres-sam-reinhart-moving-center-moulson-top-line Those would put the date of first game at October 25th. Which makes sense because the team had like 5 or 6 days off in between so DD could get him practice time at C.

A summary for those at work would be appreciated!

Isn't even strength points more indicative of his play at centre? Even still, that's only 5 points in 14 games. Far cry from 13 :P

I found it along with the stats. See my post above. Just because you wanted him to have those numbers doesn't mean he actually did :P

Bob Woods!!! Only guy I really care about the Sabres retaining.

As for Reinhart playing centre last year. There are news articles on October 23 and 24 saying he was moving to centre. First game was October 25. I can't recall how long he played there but over the next 10 game logs he recorded a total of 2 goals and 2 assists. Of which 1 goal and 1 assist came on the PP. Therefore, his 10 games at centre resulted in 1 goal and 1 assist of even strength play. Not sure where your numbers are coming from? Edit: If you go 14 games (again don't recall the number) he added one more PP goal in that span. So 14 games at centre resulted in 1 goal and 1 assist at even strength.

Do you have a link for this. I don't recall this at all. However the season made me drink more then usual so I easily could be wrong.

No. Do I think Ullmark is better than Petersen? Not sure either. All I know is goalies take forever to develop and can be very much a crap shoot. I want as many in my system as possible. Unfortunately it doesn't look like we're going to be keeping both.

I don't mean to derail the intent of this thread but I think there will be a time for Reinhart at C but not sure it's today. Once Nylander arrives if/when Baily and Baptiste can prove to be competent wingers, that's when Reinhart should be C IMO. Didn't he get his own line for around 10 games last season (don't miss DD constant line juggling) and he didn't really preform like many thought he would? Reinhart's big attribute is his smarts and feeding guys that are open. I think for him to succeed he really needs to play with skilled guys like Eichel and ROR who know how to get open and dictate the play. That's why I think I'm in the very minute minority saying I'm 'fine' with him playing wing and using his smarts to set up our finishers. Two or three years down the road? Sure, I'd love to see him in the middle.

I like these thoughts. But I love ROR at centre. He wins draws, he's a great player. Eichel is obvious. So to me he would have to be 3C and I'm not sure he will work his magic nearly as well feeding the puck to Girgs and Foligno.

I'm not saying to give him the backup job. I'm saying he still starts in Roch. But Petersen knows if a placeholder is sitting at the backup job in Buffalo then he's one Lehner injury/choke job away from starting in Buffalo in a year or two. With Ullmark sitting there it's another long term viable option.