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I could get on board with this too I suppose. I’d argue though that without going all in on the tank, they likely never would have gotten Eichel. It was a full on race to the bottom that season, and the only way to guarantee getting one of McEichel was to finish last. I am strongly in the anti tank group though. I don’t think they should have ever done that.

I think it would have been fine. Who was acquired by trade who was really that helpful, apart from ROR? Kane was good no doubt, but I never really liked the way he played with Ike. Lehner was ok, but came with a whole set of personal issues. Would the team really have been that much worse having Myers, Pysyk, McNabb, Armia, all the picks, and whatever FAs they could get instead? Maybe finishing with 60-70 points instead of 70-80 for a couple years, but then some of the picks start to come in to take spots, and by now 4 years later, the team would be a lot more full of talent than they currently are.

Not speaking for Liger, but for me, yes. I think the ROR trade is the only ”buying” trade that was a good idea. Between the 2015 and 2016 drafts, Murray traded away two 1sts, three 2nds, and two 3rds. In addition to Lemieux, Armia, Myers, Pysyk, and McNabb. Getting in return mostly Kane, Bogo, Kulikov, Lehner, Gorges, Deslauriers, Fasching.

The picks that were traded were not really high picks that would be in the NHL at 19. They were mostly 2nds/3rds and 2 late 1sts. What if we had 5 prospects of Asplund’s quality and age right now? As for Girgensons, I think the only reason he looked good his 2nd year (not his 1st) was because he was being fed to the wolves, as you say, and had a flukey high shooting %. He was used as 1C in all situations, 19 mins per night and produced at a 40ish point pace. It felt like more at the time because the team literally had nothing else.

There is not, and that’s part off the problem. They are recorded at the discretion of the scorekeepers at each NHL rink. Even the number of shots recorded is much less accurate than one would assume.

What does “mid-bot 6” mean? middle-bottom 6? What’s that? 2nd, 3rd, or 4th liner? I said I think he is a quality 3rd liner. I think that a lot more descriptive than mid-bot 6.

The hope is of course that he rebounds from the poor season that he has had so far. The previous 3 seasons he had scored 63 goals in 223 games, 57 of them at ES. I would say he was a quality 3rd liner.

For FO% and Takeaways, basically yes. However, for Hits and Blocked Shots they are basically useless as a team statistic. They tell you nothing about whether the team is good or not. For Giveaways, a team that has more is actually slightly more likely to be good.

This is unnecessarily aggressive and belittling. It’s ok to disagree and have a different point of view. Try to express it while maintaining some respect.

MIGHT

Because you don’t want to force a young, unproven player into an important role that they may not be ready for. If you do that with such an important role, and they fall flat, the whole team fails. Have we not seen that over the past 2 seasons? Let them show that they can handle 3C or start on the wing with spot duty at C. It’s ok to bring in a reliable C. If Cozens or whoever else shows they are ready, that Vet C can be shifted down to 3C or move to wing or traded. It’s ok to have depth at C.

In your view, why doesn’t Sanders have a chance of beating Trump?

There definitely is a difference and my remarks were not a defense of the job Botterill has done. The results just haven’t been there and his moves have been a mixed bag. Thats an interesting point regarding the contract length, but who knows. I couldn’t say how the Pegulas view having a lame duck in there. When does Botterill’s contract end? Was it a 4 year deal?

Sanders won the popular vote. Buttigieg won more delegates. I was super close, essentially a tie. It was also a total mess. On to New Hampshire.

This thread is totally ridiculous. Johansson decides what his mask looks like. Get over it. Of all the things to throw a fit over, why you choose this I will never understand.

Sooo, anyway, with regards to Botterill...... Im on record as saying I think he sold Pegula on a slow rebuild and that his job was safe until after the 2020-21 season. However, I also think that Pegula is sensitive to the public perception surrounding the team. I feel like if anything gets Botterill fired, it will be the increased negative press on a national level, and Pegulas reaction to it, even moreso than the team’s poor performance.

I like what I’ve seen from Ron Hextall.

Agree, he is very good at his role, but it’s a low end role in the NHL. Plays good defense and produces zero offense. I don’t think any 4th liners need to be signed to 3+ year deals.

While not impossible, because teams sometimes do dumb things, I think it’s unlikely, and I think it would be dumb.

In what way? You think some team is going to give Larsson a 3+ year contract?

I agree. It was a joke.

Agreed. If a player demands a trade, you kinda have to do it eventually, but not necessarily right away. When you are able to find an acceptable deal.

Not that anything is imminent, but if Jack demanded a trade, he would be traded. You can’t just tell him tough *****, you’ve got a contract. You can’t have a star player disgruntled perpetually.

-You said better goaltending turned their season around. -I said, no, the whole team was playing bad early, then improved -You said not according to this article. -I gave quotes from the article discussing how their team play improved, and showed that their goal scoring improved dramatically. -You say “Chicken egg”. As in, it’s a question with out an answer, I assume? What???

Nah, he like soft, skill only players with no heart or grit. Are there any of those in this draft? Also, I propose the title of this thread be changed from “....way too early”, to “....not soon enough”