Thorny

Great post. Anecdotally I had perceived them to be front runners, seems there’s some statistical backing

And we get three swipes with our first round pick in the meantime to replace the prospect And the league gives those to us for free! Are people talking about this?

Like, is D more important than Winger? Tough to answer that without context. a stud goalie is most valuable a 1C is arguably the most important forward position but the game IS changing. For some teams, their best player is a winger. Wingers facilitate the whole offence now if necesssry, most teams utilize free wheeling systems in the o zone. Forwards also drive play in today’s game more than d overall, I believe, analytically it really comes down to who you slot in the role. I don’t think “D” is more valuable than “W”, or 4D more valuable than 1LW, in any sort of on-the-surface way that would sway whatever given hypothetical comparable much beyond the determination you’d be arriving at by simply comparing and contrasting the two real world players in the no longer hypothetical comp

Thank you for using “superfluous” and thank you for spinning it that way because that’s an excellent way to look at it. what do we want to be. Are we trying to maximize the now, or are we happy saying our best days are ahead of us What are you happy with? Everyone can ask themselves I’m tired of giving ourselves the caveat that it’s “not really our time”. Never will be, till we make it so by choice

It absolutely would be if I felt we needed Peterka less than the two players we received but I don’t believe that to be the case. As I said, to you yesterday, I HATE the trade and it’s not because I can’t foresee a situation where the players we got actually serve the team better: it’s possible it’s the principle. I KNOW money was a factor. I KNOW we didn’t fully prioritize winning, now. I refuse to back down from that: I believe fully in my heart of hearts that the team, while not owing us a winner, owes us their best effort to win. after 15 years, I mean if no one will stand by me on that, I’m convicted and obsessive enough to do it myself but the line must be drawn here THIS far No further

we are stuck. You are stuck but I am reaching a hand to you just take it! We are *conditioned*. Winning trades is what you are conditioned to want when thinking about the future - where we’ve been stuck when you are good it doesn’t matter - it’s about a means to an end. Trade what you need to to get what you need

Agree And if we can trade Rosen to get rust, do it but I’m not cutting off my head with another playoff miss to avoid “losing a trade” How many times should I say it actually asking: ”winning trades is the province of teams that don’t win games”

People be like, “we just noticing the flaws now.” No, you just knew before that they were acceptable in light of the full picture of his game, and now choose to ignore it its sort of grinding in the way people try to “explain”‘Star Wars inconsistencies like why Ben talked differently about Vader in A new Hope. “Oh well Ben was confused yadda yadda” WHY are we so adverse to the *truth*? The reason the story about Luke’s father was different was because *at the time of the film* Vader…wasn’t Luke’s father in the script lol like…it’s okay to just call it like it is. Us fans have flipped on the player cause fan means fanatic and fans are biased. He’s not a Sabre anymore. It’s ok to just admit it. Really. Your opinion on JJ changed because he’s not a Sabre anymore - that’s what actually happened first thing my politics professor said and I’ll never forget it: bias isn’t a problem. It becomes dangerous when it is un-admitted *disclaimer* you don’t have to feel “seen” by this post. If you don’t like it, feel free to ignore it

Improving from 16th in goals to 15th is the same net gain as 8th worst to 9th on D There isn’t a cap on offence Some of these takes aren’t logically sound

How much does it hurt the eta to bump Consta back one year? We can take a Consta this year at 12 oh, im sorry - do we care more about the eta of prospect system depth than winning on the big club ? My mistake

You have to remember, Eleven: the league gives out a free Helenius to every team every year. if we are bad, we can just snag another. We get SEVEN free picks, in fact. It’s sort of odd but the league just sorta…gives them out. EVERY year! if we aren’t in a position to draft someone that good, we are higher in the standings…and while there’s an issue with that because…wait what?

Clearly don’t read my posts so I’ll reiterate my stance of the last 10-12 months: I believe the sabres, as generally a last placed team all year, were in a position to add talent wherever possible to tune of bPA. We aren’t close to reaching a “ceiling on goals” lol. A goal scored helps our D as much as one saved improve team as much as possible. I’d trade for the better F before the weaker D. I felt we needed all the help we could get at F BEFORE dealing JJ, forwards are in a tough spot right now. I think we were like 23-24th in goals 2 years ago and these things tend to go in cycles: as I’ve said the sabres are a shell game: the issue never presents as one thing cause the issues mutate, stemming from overall inexperience and lack of depth

Bad apple

It’s funny how when you really peel back the layers…. everyone deep down is a prospect loving Kevyn Adams. We saw Peterka drafted, hyped it, followed his progress, he’s an nhl player now. What’s that good for, winning? Pass. Trade him. Return is FINE doesn’t matter Adams told us entire reason we weren’t adding and winning was to save money for these extensions. Swap in the next guys. Trade young Helenius? Hell no trading Peterka is one thing. Trading Helinus is a non starter. He could be anything! With luck, maybe even another JJ Peterka!

A better deal than what’s a really good one based on on-ice value, well beyond the one we just made? Why? Maybe the league is waking up to the fact that prospects and picks have been objectively overvalued as currency for decades and not by a little

I consider myself to be a Japanese peace Lily

No, I’m not The swap from 9 to 12 is nothing If we can trade our leading assist forward in Peterka for a 4th dman, we can trade our never scored an assist in the nhl and won’t for years Helenius for a top 6 player Oh yes. Yes, we can

You know what I don’t understand? this board, at all you realize Peterka is LEAPS AND BOUNDS beyond the asset that Helenius is? Right? We are ok with dealing a big-time, current scorer for a 4th dman But ARENT ok with dealing a damn future for a top 6 guy? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Whhyyyyyyyuuu Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhrrrrrr This Unironically

You certainly conjured splendid imagery of the great Scott Stevens there

Every prospect is by definition superfluous when you haven’t made the playoffs ever and those prospects have no chance of meaningfully affecting the ETA QUOTE MY POST ABOUT HOW I SAID ID LIKE THE TRADE I double dog dare you

Do it, absolutely. A negligible swap of picks, a superfluous prospect, for a legitimate top 6 winger? This one will get kudos from me should it come to pass

i agree with your stance in actuality Do you put any stock in the word today Byram’s market is “lighter than expected” or is that nonsense?