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This is a thread that assumes we are trading Jack Eichel, Samson Reinhart and Rasmus Ristolainen this offseason but does not include assumed returns. The intention here is to size up where we sit as we likely exit to Jack Eichel-era. VETERANS ON THE ROSTER, PRE-JACK- this only includes players under control into 2015-16 but not free agent signings that offseason Forwards: Tyler Ennis, Marcus Foligno, Brian Gionta, Cody Hodgson, Evander Kane, David Legwand, Cody McCormick, Jamie McGinn, Matt Moulson, Ryan O'Reilly Defense: Zach Bogosian, Josh Gorges, Mike Weber PROSPECTS IN THE SYSTEM, PRE-JACK Forwards: Justin Bailey, Nic Baptiste, Nic Deslauriers, Hudson Fasching, Zemgus Girgensons, Connor Hurley, Johan Larsson, Samson Reinhart, Phil Varone Defense: Brycen Martin, Jake McCabe, Mark Pysyk, Rasmus Ristolainen VETERANS ON THE ROSTER, POST-JACK - this only includes players under control into 2021-22 Forwards: Anders Bjork, Cody Eakin, Zemgus Girgensons, Casey Mittelstadt, Kyle Okposo, Victor Olofsson, Jeff Skinner, Tage Thompson Defense: Rasmus Dahlin, Henri Jokiharju, Colin Miller PROSPECTS IN THE SYSTEM, POST-JACK Forwards: Rasmus Asplund, Dylan Cozens, Aaron Huglen, JJ Peterka, Arttu Ruotsalainen, Jack Quinn Defense: Will Borgen, Jacob Bryson, Ryan Johnson, Oskari Laaksonen, Mattias Samuelsson So, how are we doing?

God, I hope we don’t ***** up Dylan Cozens.

It’s the Z’s izn’t it

He and Kent Johnson are two players I think might end up exploding once they hit NHL ice

Agreed he is not BPA and he’s not really an option at one BUT we legitimately need everything.

Could you reload the return key too?

Little insight into drafting for each franchise since 2005. https://theathletic.com/2499520/ Sabres rank (only 30 teams on the list): 2nd in total picks (96, behind 105 by Chicago) T-13th for NHL players drafted (one of four teams with 42) 25th in hit rate (this is a percentage based solely on the two numbers above) 11th in total games played 22nd in points T-29th in points per game (tied at 0.34 with Minnesota, only New Jersey had fewer at 0.31) 20th in games played per pick 27th in points per pick Best and worst in each category: Total picks - Chicago (105) most, Pittsburgh (72) fewest NHLers drafted - Boston/Columbus (51) most, Vancouver (29) fewest Hit % - Boston (65%) best, Chicago/Vancouver (39%) worst Games played - Los Angeles (13,246) most, Vancouver (4,519) fewest Points - Edmonton (5,294) most, Vancouver (1,749) fewest Points per game - Colorado (0.59) most, New Jersey (0.31) fewest Games played per pick - Los Angeles (147) most, Vancouver (61) fewest Points per pick - Boston (61) most, Vancouver/New Jersey (24) fewest

The Ducks started last season with the least cap space in the league and did so while paying David Backes, Ryan Kesler and Patrick Eaves to sit at home and heal up on LTIR as their hockey careers come to a close. I'm skeptical that they're going to run away from a chance at a major piece because of money. They paid David Backes and Corey Perry a combined $11.1M last season.

It should be. Just like running backs. There are always reasons to break these made up rules and they’re proven wrong time and time again.

I don’t know you’re the one with the crystal ball. 😘

So with Eichel you’re getting six points per game better already with a 3.5 year age gap and the same production in the group with the same age gap still presenting. The value of Eichel is MUCH higher than Scheifele (both carry good value). Strong disagree. It could be a piece but getting a goalie should not be a priority in these deals. It should be a priority in the offseason because of your last sentence but these are not the assets to use to get one.

The difference in value between Eichel and Schiefele is WAY bigger than the gap between Samson and Ehlers. That deal sucks. You’re not giving up Reinhart in the proposed Calgary deal and the futures are an important part of that deal.

Absolutely not. We’re giving up the better pieces (Eichel > Schiefele, Samson > Ehlers, at worst the value there is very close). And if having those two plus their other pieces didn’t work for Winnipeg why would it work with us on a worse roster?

Very unlikely but I’d make the call and see what is possible. Yup. I’m not all that interested in Schiefele for Eichel unless we get multiple other pieces which I’m not sure makes sense for Winnipeg.

The way that team completely folded without him he’s exactly the type of player I want. I also want this team to be first in line right now. Make things happen. You might even consider trying to make a move for a guy like Schiefele BEFORE the Eichel deal. I wonder if you can flip Reinhart and Risto for Schiefele (something like this, probably need to add) and then go get a guy like Garland or another good top-six winger and then see if this gets Jack back on board. That shouldn’t be a priority but it’s a possibility to consider.

Chandler Stephenson, Leo Komorov, Ondrej Palat, Artturi Lehkonen. Those are the names of four players playing on the first line of the four remaining teams. It is not realistic to expect to have three first-line players, six top-six players, etc etc. For cost reasons. Olofsson plays a role that can be valued on a line like that.

This offer originated from a national pundit speculating about LA’s level of interest in Samson. I don’t know that it would happen either but it would be a very good value if we get more veteran-type pieces in an Eichel deal.

Tkachuk gives me the same feeling. And I imagine with his contract the way it is he probably asks for $9M a year in his next deal ... so ultimately by trading Jack we’d save $1M a year but go to a young LW. That scares me.

I’d definitely do that Eichel, Johnson for Lindholm, Tkachuk, Zary and a 2021 1st. I’d be willing to add another piece on our end (like pick 33 or Tage or something like that). Then if we could get 8 and Turcotte for Samson which seems to be a popular offer, that’d be a great start to this reset. Throw Risto and a pick to Arizona for Connor Garland. Top nine of: Tkachuk - Lindholm - Olofsson Skinner - Cozens - Garland Bjork - Mittelstadt - Tage

WE don’t. Liger does.

I’m going to assume that’s all nonsense (some of it is obvious guessing) but Calgary makes a ton of sense for Jack. They need a shakeup. Big meh on this. I’d need another good piece.

I think the first domino will dictate the others. Ideally, that domino would be Jack because it’s the biggest one and therefore will have the biggest impact on the team’s direction. I’m hoping they’re able to get a Zegras/Drysdale type while also bringing in a more veteran “now” piece (or two) but it’s hard to really know what those packages look like. But if the first domino is for futures only (even ones that are ready now) then the others have to focus on more veteran-type moves. Risto also is definitely not just getting handed to Seattle.

A former coworker in St Marys moved their a few years back and noted you always smell it but eventually you just stop thinking about it.

That’s false. He’ll be back.

I have called him Risto so many times and for so long that I straight up forgot his name is Rasmus.