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If you just look at production no, but if you can look at how many goals he will prevent being on the ice instead of JJP, it will be somewhat positive

Mike Foligno is a bigger reach than Mike Peca. 30 goals + and/or 60pts + four times in his career. He was a first line player for a good chunk of his time.

What you didn't see the NHL Network commentary that Zac Jones is the 2nd coming of Jesus and will propel the Sabres defense to great heights? Listen starting at 1:13 of the video.

What will make the JJP trade for the two Utah players even better is KA bringing in a vet second-line player. The big knock on the Sabre roster for years is that it is too finesse and perimeter oriented. If you add Doan to the additions of Zucker, McCleod and Greenway you can see the roster steadily being reformulated to become grittier. I hope that our GM isn't quite satisfied with the current roster and is able to bring in another player before camp begins. From Doan's perspective, he should be excited to be in Buffalo because he is going to get an opportunity to earn more ice time here. Will he seize that opportunity? I sure hope so. Adding what is obviously an effort player sure is not going to hurt us.

This is my point. Doan and Peterka are the same age (about a month apart) and JJP has 238 games to Doan's 62. Doan and Kulich have the same level of experience and similar production, except Kulich is 2 years younger. To me, Doan has no where near the upside of either JJP or Kulich. He may have the potential to be a 40 pt player on the 3rd line and produce solid two way play, but that's all we are likely to get out of him. Unlike JJP and Kulich who are or should be core players, guys like Doan are replaceable. To me Doan and guys like him are a dime a dozen and easily found and easily replaced. I don't think his acquisition moves this team forward an inch. Hopefully he pulls a McLeod and proves me wrong. By the way, you can't really just discuss what Doan is without the context of who he is replacing in the lineup. It maybe unfair to Doan to ask or expect him to fill JJP's offensive shoes, but such is life.

Perhaps, but he can be a major contributor to this team as he continues to grow other aspects of his game. He’s the new Intangible imo.

I would THINK about, and maybe try in preseason, a line of Doan-Kulich-Tage. I think Tage can carry the line offensively and him and Kulich were one of the most dangerous combos in the league when they were together last year. That leaves Benson-Norris-Tuch....and McLeod-Quinn Zucker. I think doing that gives you 3 lines to just roll out there in any order, and the 4th line is used situationally. Which line is the official '1st' line? I don't care. Whichever line is playing the best, or the one that gives you the best matchups on a given night, they get the most minutes, that can change night-to-night though.

Should be known as SEPA: as in Screw the EPA. But sadly, it’s par for the course as the Project 25 ideology continues to be implemented. Borders on criminal, imo. https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5424434-trump-epa-zeldin-climate-change-denial/

I dont know if he will drop the mitts like Foligno did, but he can even come close to replacing that, that would be huge. The Foligno trade, for me personally, is when it all went wrong for me, you just dont trade young power forwards especially one thats dad played for you, to bring back an aging Pominville? Ive always felt that Terry wanted this trade and he forced the GMs hand Remember thought Doan is 23, yes hes hasnt played a ton of games, but he is 23, he is isnt 20 just getting a taste

Purely wishful thinking, but how about Marcus Foligno’s dad Mike? He may have been considered an added player after Dale McCourt, but he was the best part of that historic trade. Maybe Doan can surprise us with his scoring and leadership???

I agree gimmie 15-20 goals 20-25 assist, solid two way guy, hard to play against... drops em when required... you need those guys... and I agree gonna take some time we can only hope if he is going there that Adams doesnt trade him or lose him somehow...

That is true. BUT the question of HOW the PP with both Dahlin and Thompson on it was rhetorical.

That's probably realistically his ceiling. Unfortunately, it'll likely take a couple more years before he becomes whatever he's going to become.

They don't move. Byram mentioned that right after he got here. Tage sits at the half wall, Dahlin moves around the point. There's no high to low or low to high movement of players. They don't rotate around.

About the same height, needs to fill out a bit more... But a Marcus Foligno with a smidge more scoring comes to mind on the top end.

His initial impact will be his defensive talent and tenacity. He’s already ahead of both JJ and Kulich in that department.

JJ Peterka as a 21yr old rookie: 12g, 20a, 77games, 0.416ppg Kulich has 0.381ppg, just noting the how close Kulich was to producing at Peterka's level. Kulich is also 3 months younger. Not saying he will produce at Peterka's level but we should compare apples to apples and rookies to rookies. We can have a discussion somewhere else about it being a downgrade and trading away a more finished product. Doan has 0.452ppg (but he's 23 so take that into account)

Jordan Greenway .

Not sure those kind of stone hands will ever make it in the NHL ever again

2 more in their prime Griers would go a long way towards making getting into the playoffs a thing that's theirs to lose rather than one they have to steal to get.

Getting top 12 goaltending is necessary but not sufficient to making the playoffs. The Sabres will need more than just that to go right to make them. Norris staying healthy all year and one of those kids breaking out would go along way towards providing the extra impetus required. (Broken record alert: fixing the d*mn PP also could do it. And how a PP with both Dahlin and Thompson on it (2 REALLY good PP players) can be this awful this often for this long is boggling. It's only been good for one roughly 7 week stretch since O'Reilly left the building.)

I think Lyon and UPL might be good enough... but they would both have to trend better than they've been in the past. I think they can but not sure if they will.

He is another talent downgrade through trade by Adams. Peterka (23) 238 gp, 67g, 150pts Kulich (21) 63 gp, 15g, 24 pts Doan (23) 62 gp, 12g, 28 pts His upside, if there is one, is that of a 3rd line forward.

Grier is a much more reasonable expectation than Peca.

Above all else hopefully he is a big part of the culture change that is desperately needed on this team. Hopefully Doan becomes that guy that message boards say “our team needs a Doan but where do you find them. Teams don’t trade away those types of players. Leaders who do all the little things, play with grit, go to the net.”