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I frankly don’t care about the players and their environment. Unless they are being abused and/or shorted on paychecks they should be held accountable to their commitments to the team that drafts and/or signs them. They get way too much money to feel sad about their situation. I can understand their logic but that still doesn’t mean I give them any quarter in regards to it. Just because I can logically see the Japanese reasoning behind Pearl Harbor doesn’t mean I don’t hate what they did or those involved in that context. Just because an action is logical doesn’t mean it absolves the decision maker of all critique or backlash. Peterka is where Eichel was prior to his first game here; I hate him but really don’t loathe him. As long as Peterka doesn’t make idiotic comments about the fans or the city it will likely remain there for several years until it just simmers out. That’s how most fans operate in regards to players. They don’t have a plan, they have a spattering of ideas with no cohesive strategy besides some overarching theme.

That Terry didn’t do this just shows you how out of touch he is. Even it was just an administrative label change done for optics, many of us would actually think progress was being made. But, my bet is that Terry doesn’t “trust” Jarmo yet.

You won’t be able to find a post where I say I’m glad Peterka asked out, and that we should cheer him on as he does it I’m saying anything but understanding makes zero sense to me. I’m saying hating him for doing it doesn’t make sense to me. I’m saying we should want the players to be in good environments. ill never be “glad” a player feels they need to ask out to get it. I wish the players felt the good environment was here. But *I* don’t - why would I be surprised when they don’t

Yeah, I’ll give him this coming year. He really needs to pull together and soon.

Oh of course we should cheer on players who leave us because we deserve to suck? That doesn’t even make sense. I love the Sabres, I love Buffalo and if one ***** on us then I’m naturally going to dislike them no matter how legitimate or absurd their reasoning is.

Wow Rosen written off already. The guy needs a legit chance on an NHL roster. If it’s not here trade him somewhere where he gets a shot

I'd ask that we avoid making jokes that require the use of the disabled and legally incapacitated as a premise.

19 pages and this debate on whether the Sabres are actually improved tells anyone that objectively that if the Sabres are improved it's marginal.

This is just a chasm away from my philosophical stance “Demanding (of loyalty)….Regardless of the circumstances” That’s…ya man you do you - - - it’s honestly sort of (see:outright) dark lol are you sure you’re not from the DC universe?

Chimera. Bravo. They claim they want to be tougher to play against, but then ask guys like Tuck or Benson to fight. If the goal was actually to ensure liberties are not taken, trade for a 4th line enforcer.

People really, really underplay this. People want to be like “they are an anomaly, a bastardization of a franchise under Pegula, an utter historical embarrassment” then move on to discussing a waiver add and say “ooooo okay I think you are painting with a broad brush” when it comes to that topic or the next lol. It’s not just something we say: the sabres under Terry are an absurdity, in truth. Where fans generally would be anti player upon leaving, yes, the sabres deserve a different reaction. One wants to pretend they deserve the same reaction as other teams: one know they do not. The results don’t bare it

Just like the U.S. I may not always agree with everything we do but I'll always be proud to be an American and loyal to it. The Sabres are being ran by idiots but in the end they are what we have and we have to put up with it. We can vehemently disagree with the team and its management while still being loyal to the team and demanding the players do the same regardless of the circumstances. Unless the team isn't paying the players their agreed salary or have suffered 20 years here, I don't want to hear anything about a player being sad and wanting to leave.

No I clearly used your terminology but the sentiment was as in mock of others. I thought that would be clear cause those other stances are right there in the open, and you detailed yours on Dahlin if nothing else i’d merely be setting myself up for an easy dunking-on if not so..

And, it’s fine we disagree, here. For me it’s line in the sand type stuff, as it clearly is for you (when you curse, I know. You are always so calm lol) But, no, sports relative the sabres ARE the evil empire. This is I guess the thing I am most surprised to see people fail to grasp: the Sabres ARE, factually, a historical anomaly. They ARE the extreme. It really is possible to view them as the evil empire because that’s what they are. Extreme results, extreme stance. im not an extremist. I’m merely a realist

I actually thought I pretty much had a trademark on the phrase over the past couple pages. If others picked it up, I apologize.

Must win!

Dude, you might be the best poster here but you aren’t the whole board: my post wasn’t about you. It could only be disingenuous if I somehow was making the argument you specifically would say that. I’m sorry but you don’t have a monopoly on “f*ck” in this thread lol you made it clear in your post you wouldn’t blame Dahlin. There are plenty of other posters saying they’d side with the sabres given anything. Did you read those? Am I allowed to allude to them? Do you think I am afraid to quote you outright if I want to respond to you? We’ve been through the song and dance many times - i enjoy the sport of it - and I resent the above post

That’s precisely my point thank you for detailing it more eloquently than I ever could have Darcy did have to overcome. Adams doesn’t have to overcome anything. Because, as I keep saying, the owner and manager are part and parcel.

This is disingenuous. Go back and read my initial post. For me, your entire line of discussion has become "you can't really blame anyone else for anything Sabre-related as long as the evil empire is in charge." Yes I can, and I will. ***** JJ Peterka.

Once again, the 2nd best GM the Sabres had managed to overcome the constraints applied by management. Heck, his predecessor did too. He iced extremely middling teams when he had the Sabres becoming Edmonton East and racking up the 3rd highest payroll in the league. When he was forced to go austerity, he assembled a team that won its division within 2 years of the teardown. Both of them were "complicit with a strategy that was to the detriment of winning" on its surface but both won in an era where there were twice as many teams as the team's best GM built teams and almost none of them had Ray Miron or Jake Milford, or Gord Stellick or Fred Glover running their competitors. They succeeded under severe constraints. It's not that it can't be done. It's 2 fold. 1. The guy given the reins was not the right guy to take them. Not only was he completely inexperienced, his own playing career taught him the wrong lesson for building a very good team on the cheap. You HAVE TO HAVE THE GOALTENDING to do it. His SC team lucked into incredible health in the playoffs and 2 meh goalies that both were at their peak when the other one was down. He learned the wrong lesson from his experience; and he STILL hasn't understood that he completely missed the boat on that point. And 2, they tested a counter intuitive theory that it isn't so much maturity and experience are the keys to having a successful club; with experience a lack of maturity can be overcome. There is a reason the theory was counter intutive; turns out, players (unless they are truly exceptional, and even those aren't completely immune from the effects) really do need to be in their prime to hit their true peaks. You can't goose it along by forcing kids into roles they aren't ready for. And yeah, you need a really good GM to make it work. They had 2 chances to get that GM and whiffed both times. But, had they grabbed Zito, truly don't believe they'd still be in this weird spending place they're at (which they seem through the plan progressing as planned though far less successfully than they'd anticipated it happening as they will be within $5MM of the cap and really should be ~$1MM from it because they SHOULD bring in either another $3-4MM D-man should they trade Byram for F help or a $3-4MM F should they keep Byram; expecting they won't do that but they should and won't claim unequivocably they won't until we're setting the lineup in October) because the team would be having success and spending extra money on players would be increasing that success as well. And THAT would be translating into full (and in October, nearly full; go Bills) buildings and more revenue coming it. The winning and finances tend to feedback on each other. Let Adams be the guy interacting with ownership (if we have to, and it seems clear we're going to have to whether we like it or not) but DON'T let him be the guy trying to build the team. But get a REAL GM in house. AND take the tethers off. (Pretty sure we both agree on those last 2 points. 😉 )

If he does, f*ck him

I am going to say they are better b.c it's different. How much is up to them. If the team isn't much improved this year you think Dahlin is going to want out?

I’m not defending Botterill I’m saying being complicit with a strategy you KNOW is to the detriment of winning is harmful to the crest, actively YOU know, I know, Adams knows, that signing up for/initiating/being complicit with an EEE strategy is bad for winning Terry and Adams aren’t the sabres: they are Terry and Adams. I mean this literally: their primary goal isn’t the success of the franchise, it’s saving $ who do you think cares more about the sabres winning, Kevyn Adams? Or Mike Sheedy, the guy making this post. The guy who got here 5 years ago or the guy who was being woken up at 1 in the morning to be carried downstairs by his dad to watch a Dave Hannon OT goal 30+ years ago? Why am I here? To antagonize you all?

And yet, the Sabres 2nd best GM not only accepted the challenge of putting together a team on a budget, he got that team to 1 SCF and 2 other ECFs on a budget. (And because he did such a good job, that next year after the 2nd non-SCF ECF led to them being a cap team and still getting to the ECF once again.) He proved it CAN be done, but you have to hit on picks outside just the 1st round and you have to make shrewd trades and get more than just a bit of luck. Saying "no, I won't fire people that are loyal to ME" isn't staying loyal to the crest; it is staying loyal to yourself. And, honestly, the Sabres WEREN'T drafting well prior to cleaning out the scouting department and much as this kid personally thought Taylor and crew were doing a good job in Ra-cha-cha, they never could get past the Marlies. Botterill, rather than simply saying no needed to explain WHY he was saying no and convince management why. But, Botterill was the guy that only drafted ONE CHL player in his drafts (and that was Cozens in the top 10) and chose two HORRIBLE HCs. Losing him wasn't the loss. Passing on Zito once again on the the do over was the tragedy. Zito could've made it work.