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I think you’re misplacing blame for the team’s failures.

Stop talking about E-Rod. Get over it . 🙂

You know (and don't take this personal, it's just a general feeling I have), the bottom line is I don't really give a flying F if KA won a trade or got more for one guy than another one and we can argue those things but really who cares? He didn't and can't seem to construct a winning roster despite having multiple years on the job, multiple picks and multiple opportunities. Who cares if one guy wins an award or one guy is better than a previous guy, Adams is in year 6 now and the team is still garbage. That's all that matters to me.

The main reason that the Sabres don’t win is because we have the worst owner in the league who hired a sycophantic GM who is the worst GM in the league. Compound incompetence presiding over a franchise stuck in the muck of mediocrity of their own creation.

2 years. I'm glad Krebs will block him from the NHL. He could be a 2nd line center someday with the right dev path.

We'll trade an old MSG hot dog, no bun, this subway card we found with no money on, and a 7th round pick in 2057 for Jack Eichel. Asking for anything else is unreasonable. - every f-ing nyr fan that summer and half the media

No he doesn't. He's a defensive liability. The 2024/25 Sabres wouldn't be better with Mittelstadt. Personally I think all the hang wringing over Mittelstadt is nonsense. He played 1 good stretch here and was otherwise worse than McLeod. We're in agreement.

I was applying the "Byram wasn't a good trade" logic I read above to the McLeod trade. I've always maintained the Mittelstadt trade needed to be judged in the context of how they backfilled his spot. And I think I'd do Mitts and Savoie for Byram and McLeod 10 times out of 10, both on a value level and on a roster building level. The Sabres dropped in the standings because Quinn, Power, Cozens proved woefully incapable of the roles they were given, UPL backslid precipitously and the coaching change had the opposite effect of what they intended. if people want to pretend Byram's +11 at nearly 23 minutes a night represents a screen door on submarine that helped sink the season, they're welcome to that opinion. But its wrong.

Both teams didn't lose the Mitts Byram trade. That's illogical on its face.

Instead of Kakko being the key piece in an eichel trade, they got borgen and some late picks. Laff is also now getting 7+ aav and playing like cozens.

Yes? So 18ish games in his entire career unrelated to his bum shoulder and the initial failed surgery? Tage Thompson has missed 25 games in his career since surgery fixed the shoulder injury that caused him to miss a year. As I tried to say above, for me any elevated Norris injury risk is tied entirely to his shoulder and whether it is repaired. That's a real risk where you are trusting your doctors, but outside of that he's no different than any other player. If you want to make the argument entirely about games missed period, that's valid, but it's not the way i look at it. I think the 'why' is relevant.

Agreed. Drafting him made it easier to move savoie (in addition to kulich just lapping him during development. Norris being so injury prone also gives me pause on moving probably the top non-NHL center. He was also the youngest player in the AHL last year, so he likely projects to be a year away. As it stands today though, the only center keeping him in the AHL is krebs.

I just can't see the Rangers being able to do this. They would need to take the following steps. 1) give up this years number 12 draft pick so they can get next years first round draft pick back. 2) Convince Utah to take the 3rd round pick they have this year instead of the second round pick they have rights to next year. 3) Give us an unprotected 1st round pick plus a second and a third next year. (do they think they are going to be better next year after dealing away all those players) ? 4) Find enough money to pay JJ around 9 million a year to prevent us from matching it. As a counter measure we could deal with Utah to steal the rangers pick and prevent them from even trying to do this. This could be fun!

You mean how Rangers fans wouldn’t give up Kakko or Laff for Eichel. Yeah I’m done with that too.

So you are saying Savoie will eventually be better than McLovin, I mean McLeod? Why??

This thread took a turn….

People can belittle it all they want, but “throwing away the future for a single playoff berth” shouldn’t be a stance that shares headspace with “we have to acknowledge the difficulties of team building in a market no one wants to go to” both are frequently used as defence for why we aren’t winning, and not infrequently by the same author. Winning begets winning. Want to have an easier time attracting players? Want to win more in the future? Win now if you can’t do it by ordinary means, sell out to do it. You aren’t going to win later without winning now so you have no choice

In the grand scheme of things when compared to seriously run franchises, I would still say yes that it is far from being a significant accomplishment. For this puny franchise it is an accomplishment.

I love hockey, so I'm not opposed to this going the distance. If E Kane wasn't on the Oil I would def, hands down, want them to win. Gun to head, I kind of enjoy seeing Canada not have a cup in their own national sport. On the converse side, FLA already has theirs, and I want to see that Skinner Smile (Jeff) raising the cup in his first playoffs. So I'd say I'm 51/49% in favor of FLA but really can typically watch unbiased, which makes the hockey even better.

For last year I would say yes. The year before when Tage was hurt and moved to the wing on a lower line and Mitts moved up to the top line he played well and the production of the line was still a high yield line.

I wasn’t disagreeing with you I was branching I say it with politeness - don’t assume you are being disagreed with just because you’ve been quoted you proposed the idea a playoff berth is being or could be construed as meaningless and I responded

You totally misread my response. Accomplishing the low bar of playoff qualification can be done without depleting its assets. With some wise decisions and a greater exhibition of more urgency that which we all want to attain can be attained. I say this with politeness that it might serve you better if you respond to what was said and not reactively to what you think was said.

Didn’t say it was. ROR, on the other hand

Are you arguing we should have kept Savoie? Also, I'd argue McLeod did make the Sabres better. Trading Mitts wasn't a colossal error.

I'll set aside the National Hokey League and NHL Rigged talk before saying: I am so impressed with what Edmonton did in coming back in that game after it appeared that they'd had their doors blown off and were going to lose by 5, 6, or more. More impressive still? The Oilers did what they did in a game where they could not get McDavid away from Barkov. Just incredible. We need 7 games of this!