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You are relying on hope that they get to the performance level needed to get in the playoffs. Where there is no evidence or data, there is only hope.

It’s not about hope. It’s simply that we have different judgments on players.

I saw Ozzy for the No More Tears tour with Sepultura and Alice in Chains, Max Cavalera was ill so Sepultura never showed but Layne Staley played in a Wheelchair and had a broken leg, he was incredible and was the star of the show at least imo but Ozzy was awesome also. I also saw hom at the Merry Mayhem show with Rob Zombie and Mudvayne, that show was a blast, Ozzy was on the big screen as different characters, one of his characters was Miss Cleo (the fortune teller woman back in the 90's who ripped people off), I was laughing so hard, partly do to all the drugs in the air and it was really well done. The costumes Rob Zombie and his crew had on were unbelievable, they came out on stilts and all different types of crazy monsters/space aliens, it was wild. I think that was Mudvayne 1st actually tour show so I really liked them and became 1 of my favorite bands for sure. Nothing but good experiences at those shows!

Hope is not a plan.

Helenius is not off- limits for me. I’m not dooming anything. If one believes that the young players you listed will be better players next season and thereafter (as I do), why would I want to see them dealt?

Fairburn with a Doan feature that will inject some hopium. If toxicity and apathy are issues, he sounds like part of the cure. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6502688/2025/07/22/buffalo-sabres-josh-doan/

So, if the team we have can’t win, and you refuse to even consider moving the young players we aren’t winning with to obtain good older players that know how to win, how do you expect this team to start winning? Power off limits Benson off limits Quinn off limits Kulich off limits? Is Helenius off limits too? That pretty much leaves us no quality ammunition to trade for good experienced players. You are dooming us to repeat what already didn’t work.

I’m sure it was a combination of reasons. None of us are insiders so we don’t know what the full story is/was. What is obvious is that he was determined to leave and play for someone else. He wasn’t willing to sign here but once traded quickly came to terms on a new contract with Utah.

I remember seeing Black Sabbath concert when I was in college -- in the early 70's It was an out door concert at Manhattan College in the Bronx, which was right by the overhead subway. It was the loudest concert I had ever been to. It was so loud that it drowned out the sound of the trains passing by. I thought Black Sabbath was one of the true pioneers of the heavy metal sound. They were one of the few groups to write their songs primarily in minor scales, which gave them a unique sound. Thought Tony Iommi was a hell of a guitarist, and thought Ozzy had a great rock voice. Those days will be missed.

Absolutely yes he was on my no trade list. No secret about that. But go back to my post saying why that it didn’t play out the way I and even the GM wanted it to.

It's an accumulated sense of things. That wedding picture is consistent with it, I suppose. Moreover, getting married nowadays when you're 22 years old is part of it. Dude just comes off super trad. As does Thompson. And like I said: I'm not sure what to make of it. Does it inhibit team bonding? If I'm being cynical and sh1tty about it (haha - which means I'm about to be): It's almost giving Mormon vibes. Then again, Brigham Young fields some competitive ass football teams.

Before Peterka’s wishes became public knowledge was he on your hell no list? Don’t say no to a trade until you see what’s coming back.

Full disclosure, my Sabbath fandom lasted only a few albums and then I got much deeper into so many other music styles that "metal" as a genre never crept further into my record collection. I do not consider the early Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin to be metal either, although others refer to them in that genre. RIP Ozzy.

Still waiting for somebody to show me where the futility of the Sabres was the reason for Peterka’s departure. I’ve heard he didn’t like the city. He acted like he didn’t like the coach(es)

The Peterka situation was completely different from the players mentioned. JJP made it clear to the organization that he wanted to get the freak out of this ghetto franchise. He was not going to sign a new contract and was going to allow his contract to run for another year so he could be an UFA. The GM publicly stated that he wanted to keep him. The player essentially said F no! Once traded he quickly signed a new contract with Utah. In my view, the GM handled the situation reasonably well.

Did you get that impression from the pic above, or something else?

I understand your position but with respect to the young players named I still strongly say no. And, it is sad to say that even if our young players were dealt the return would not be adequate because good players have little desire to come to this shunned franchise. This is a sad and pathetic situation to be in.

I'm not sure what to make of how trad** two of the team's core players are/seem to be -- Thompson and Power. ** From the Know Your Meme website:

Unbelievably brilliant in Sabbath. He didn't write the lyrics but no one could deliver them like he did. I would have loved to have seen Sabbath in the early days.

Angry is over.

Maybe late 80s Ozzy but not during the Diary of A Madman tour in ‘82. His show at the Aud was legendary. It was Mid April, just weeks after Randy Rhoades untimely death. A few before Rhoades death in Iowa, he bit the head off a bat 🦇. The concert was so hyped. Rest in peace Great Ozz!

RIP Ozzy. Hard to pick a favourite song, so many to choose from.

Awww. Maybe he’ll learn to be a man now that he’s married.

Little known Ozzy fact.... He didn't get his license until 61. He failed his driving test 19 previous times. Mr. Tinkertrain no doubt the creepiest of his songs.

Sabbath’s hey day was a bit before my time. His solo career, while I could enjoy the music, he looked like an overweight house wife during the 80’s and 90’s so I wasn’t exactly gravitating toward his Karen like appearance. Ozzfest was really confusing to me in the beginning. I didn’t understand how this fat house wife curated all these awesome bands. Then it started to click. The man, the myth, the legend. The behind the music shows on VH1, not just his but the reverence other metal musicians had for him. I leaned into the Sabbath and it opened up the door a little wider for his solo stuff. Definitely love all his music now.