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Agree on the first part. +/- though? By itself it may be useless to many, but in context with other stats or simply observations It has some value.

I don't disagree but I'd differentiate in one way. It's fair to say Byram is the better player of Byram and Mitts, especially the way Mitts has trailed off over last season. But Byram wasn't the guy we needed and if we now trade Byram I don't see how it matters unless we get some great return. Then I guess it's a "win". The main point for me though is I don't care about winning any of the trades. As long as the roster gets better. As long as he fills the actual holes, then I'm not overly concerned with the price he pays to do that. All that matters to me is the season starting roster and having a roster that could make the playoffs. It's going to take a number of moves to make that a realistic possibility.

Yeah, the rest of it sucked, but it looks better together today than it did one year after the trade. I shouldn't have to spell this out for anyone. Again, I picked a poor example I guess since it's a sensitive topic around here. The results of a trade change over time and it's not a competition between the two teams involved. I'd actually say its the exact opposite. Both want to gain from it and that can and has happened plenty of times. The gold standard would probably be Iginla for Nieuwendyk. I doubt that Calgary fans give two shits that Dallas won a cup after that deal.

Reason #54 why I don't trust Pronman... He ranks the best skills and one of them is "compete level". Carter Bear doesn't appear on the list, at all. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6372836/2025/06/13/2025-nhl-draft-prospects-skills-tools-traits/

Just so we understand each other (not assuming you care to). I'm not trying to support an ancillary point by saying he won the Mitts trade. You're trying to draw concussions from that and there's no dots to connect. It may surprise you that I agree with most of you said above, except the "who cares?". I think it does matter that we have the better player out of that situation as we hope to be moving forward. It's actually how you move forward. It's small thing, but it's a thing. If we string together things, something can happen. Of course only my opinion. You of course wouldn't hope we lost that trade in retrospect, would you? Then you'd be guilty of feeding an agenda. So if the answer is no, that you wish we actually lost the trade. Then you know who does care? You and me.

We renewed all our tickets this year. It’s still a good night with family, friends and business associates.

And yet game day threads are pretty popular.

I’m with you (and Baker) on Byram. Extend him and let him be Dahlin’s long-term partner. He just turned 24. Power and Clifton make the same combined salary as Kadri and Andersson in Calgary. I’m not saying straight up (maybe we can get a pick or prospect too) and of course we have trade clauses to contend with, but if you want to make the playoffs this year, wouldn’t we just be a better team if we traded Power, Clifton, Kulich for Kadri, Andersson, and a wanker like Popisil (plus a future asset). And we can take a D at 9.

I would not miss Power or Muel. Both overpaid for big pacifists Just get a return of useful help.

Ever hear the saying, they can't see what's right in front of them? That's you. Stop pretending I said anything close to something that would warrant your response. He won the Mitts trade.

Self-serving because they are saying some of the things I’ve been saying on here. They get into it quickly maybe 9 minutes in

I have zero expectations that they will act responsibly and effectively, but if I'm in the "they should" mode, then they should act like a normal NHL team and keep the players who are good and can help them win now (see: Byram, Peterka), and move out some younger NHL assets that are not helping them win now and that are, in some cases, a bit over-priced or about to be a bit over-priced (see: Power, Kulich, Quinn, Samuelsson, perhaps Luukkonen, combined 20 million in cap for the coming season), for players who can help them make the playoffs now. Attach a prospect or draft pick to these players if needed, but don't toss away the future. The Sabres can't bring in veteran contracts without sending contracts out. If they want to win now, the contracts that are leaving should be the ones that are least likely to help with that goal.

Such as?

Some interesting takes in the latest Fairburn/Baker podcast on Byram Peterka and their fit and future.

Yes the numbers certainly bear that out. Sorry for suggesting otherwise

They also need to trade rostered players to make room for the guys coming in through the trades you are suggesting.

You could pair Dahlin with a scarecrow (or even Matt Tennyson) and get comparable results.

Right, because Dahlin is at 70% with everybody.

There’s tons of things they can do. They can trade their first round pick The things they can do fall under the category of “well, WELL, no one else does that so” ..so they don’t get considered. But the sabres RECORD is something no one else does. They should trade their first, trade Konsta H, any future asset they can in the name of competing this year: there will be a draft next year, you’ll get your 7 picks people, it’ll be ok

He’s not contributing to the pair’s output Dahlin is the pair. Byram is a statistical passenger Byram isn’t good. You disagree. Thankfully he’s almost gone so we can stop rehashing this Today? It looks very bad - that’s the part I disagree with. Bad, with a side of prolific goal scorer

Glad to see I’m not the only one around here stooping to using sarcasm. On that note, they probably would have been much better off just sticking with Dylan Cozens, or trading Cozens for Filip Chytil instead.

Again, all of this is not the point. I knew I shouldn't have mentioned that trade for these exact reasons. But all I'm trying to say is that the return of a trade will look different as time passes. One year after that trade it looked very bad. Today? We have the most prolific goal scorer this franchise has seen in 30 years. Judging McLeod/Savoie today? It's mostly pointless (but at least it's better than a day 0 judgement).

If net neutral means 70% goals for, sure. Oh right, goals for and against is the single most meaningless stat.