Where would be now ?

[St. Pete Gogolak]

1 hour ago, Weave said:

I think you are missing the point of my post.  The assumption that we had competent ownership means the decision to tear down to nothing doesn’t get made and likely a team like Arizona finishes dead last instead, and oor rebuild core does not contain Sam or Jack.

Now I know you’re missing the point of the post. Look at the 19-20 roster.  Competent or incompetent ownership, all those players, including Eichel and Reinhart were on the roster.  The question is whether we could have let that group mature over a couple of years and where we would be if we had.  

[Weave]

9 minutes ago, St. Pete Gogolak said:

Now I know you’re missing the point of the post. Look at the 19-20 roster.  Competent or incompetent ownership, all those players, including Eichel and Reinhart were on the roster.  The question is whether we could have let that group mature over a couple of years and where we would be if we had.  

The premise of the post started with competent ownership and management. Its a faulty premise. Or maybe better stated as a fairy tale premise.

Thats Ok.  I’m not terribly invested in continuing anyway, so feel free to carry on without me.

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, Mr. Allen said:

Y’all notice Jacks neck has never been an issue since leaving Buffalo? 

It's because Vegas let him get the surgery that we were not approving. Had we approved he'd likely still be here IMO. 

[Crusader1969]

4 hours ago, Weave said:

I think you are missing the point of my post.  The assumption that we had competent ownership means the decision to tear down to nothing doesn’t get made and likely a team like Arizona finishes dead last instead, and oor rebuild core does not contain Sam or Jack.

Let's pretend a new owner with competent mgmt and coaching came in during the 2019-20 season.  
 

 

4 hours ago, Thorny said:

That’s the biggest thing. People will talk about development until the cows come home and neglect to mention we traded Eichel at 24 - he wasn’t close to being in orbit in fact he was just launching his prime. People will ask “how didn’t you win with Jack Sam and ROR?” when non-ELC Jack and Sam never played with him 

Anyways, I’ll say C

Should be noted: the leafs were the second best team this year. Only one team gave Florida a true test 

Leafs got dominated when the Panthers decided to play their game 

Also, Let's not forget Bob wasn't on his game for the first 2 either

 

[Thorny]

9 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Let's pretend a new owner with competent mgmt and coaching came in during the 2019-20 season.  
 

 

Leafs got dominated when the Panthers decided to play their game 

Also, Let's not forget Bob wasn't on his game for the first 2 either

 

There’s a reason they weren’t on their game 

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

It's because Vegas let him get the surgery that we were not approving. Had we approved he'd likely still be here IMO. 

I’m not sure that even if he was allowed to have the surgery he preferred that he would have stayed. He made it clear through a variety of reps, one of which was his father, that he wanted no part of another rebuild project. The organization tried to placate him by bringing in some veterans but it was less than adequate . He was right in his judgment of the franchise and didn’t want to get stuck here. He didn’t demand to go to any particular team but was determined to get out of this stink hole and start afresh somewhere else. He made the right decision for himself, just like Reinhardt and Ullmark were. The lesson to be learned is that systematic dysfunction has costly consequences.