sweetlou Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/663228 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) Lou, I like some of your ideas, but I think some of these trades will be hard to execute. The ROR deal to STL is interesting, but I think it needs more pieces to get it done. No way Pitt gives us Rust and Sheahan for McCabe and Larsson, although Pitt probably saves some cap. By the way Nelson’s 3 year deal would have to be about 1.95 (650K per year). Did you mean 2 years at $750K? I also don’t think Carlson signs anywhere without get 7.5 per season. He had 68 pts this season (in a career year admittedly), but Wash will likely do everything they can to keep him. Would DeHaan work as a substitute. He’ll be cheaper and maybe a better compliment to Dahlin. Edited April 19, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted April 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Lou, I like some of your ideas, but I think some of these trades will be hard to execute. The ROR deal to STL is interesting, but I think it needs more pieces to get it done. No way Pitt gives us Rust and Sheahan for McCabe and Larsson, although Pitt probably saves some cap. By the way Nelson’s 3 year deal would have to be about 1.95 (650K per year). Did you mean 2 years at $750K? I also don’t think Carlson signs anywhere without get 7.5 per season. He had 68 pts this season (in a career year admittedly), but Wash will likely do everything they can to keep him. Would DeHaan work as a substitute. He’ll be cheaper and maybe a better compliment to Dahlin. I think ROR to St. Louis makes sense. They need another center to compliment Schenn. A replacement for the loss of Stastny. Could there be some prospects thrown in the trade either way, yeah I guess so. The main reason for the Pitt trade is they need players under contract relatively cheap. I think Sheahan gets traded because he will get about $3mil AAV and they just picked up Brassard for their third line center. Larsson fits the mold of a rat they can use on the fourth line and kills penalties. McCabe gives them depth. As a UFA Nelson will be able to demand more on the open market. If Buffalo wants him they will have to pay a little bit more than if he was an RFA. If Carlson wants $7.5 than you give it. We need a true #1 defenseman. This slides Risto to the 2nd pairing. This is also based on us drafting Dahlin as he is a LD. We have Scandella for two years so we wouldn't need to rush Dahlin's development. But imagine in two years a d core of Dahlin- Carlson Guhle- Risto Borgen- Nelson DeHaan is a steady 4-5 defenseman but we need more skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) I think ROR to St. Louis makes sense. They need another center to compliment Schenn. A replacement for the loss of Stastny. Could there be some prospects thrown in the trade either way, yeah I guess so. The main reason for the Pitt trade is they need players under contract relatively cheap. I think Sheahan gets traded because he will get about $3mil AAV and they just picked up Brassard for their third line center. Larsson fits the mold of a rat they can use on the fourth line and kills penalties. McCabe gives them depth. As a UFA Nelson will be able to demand more on the open market. If Buffalo wants him they will have to pay a little bit more than if he was an RFA. If Carlson wants $7.5 than you give it. We need a true #1 defenseman. This slides Risto to the 2nd pairing. This is also based on us drafting Dahlin as he is a LD. We have Scandella for two years so we wouldn't need to rush Dahlin's development. But imagine in two years a d core of Dahlin- Carlson Guhle- Risto Borgen- Nelson DeHaan is a steady 4-5 defenseman but we need more skill. But who is your 2nd line center? Mittelstadt isn’t close to ready for that responsibility and Sheahan isn’t good enough. That said trading ROR to STL might work. I do agree that Pitt is going to trade Sheahan, but I’m not sure he works here short or long term for his price point. I worked this out on capfriendly Girgensons and our 2nd in 2019 to Pitt for Rust and their 4th in 2020. Sign Rust for 3years at 3.5per Trade Larsson to Dal for a 4th Trade McCabe to LA for Tobias Rieder. Sign Rieder for 2 years at 2.5 per Sign de Haan 3 years at 3.5 per season or 4 yrs at 4.0 Win Lottery and draft Dahlin Sign Halak 2 yrs at 3.5 per Re-sign Smith, Nelson, O’Regan, Baptiste, Bailey, and Wilson (all one or two years deal from 650 to 750 per season) Buyout Bogo cap cost 1.142 Sign one more depth D Lineup Rieder Eichel Rust Smith ROR Reinhart Erod Mittelstadt Okposo Wilson O’Regan Baptiste Pommers/Bailey DeHaan Risto Scandella Dahlin Guhle Nelson Baloo Ullmark Halak Cost 71.5 to 72. Edited April 19, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted April 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 I think one of Okposo or ROR gets moved this off season. The return on ROR would be greater that is why I think he will be moved. Looking at teams that have young centers under 25 who may be up for new contracts in the next few years I have compiled a list below. I think the Sabres need a second line center who can compliment Jack not fight over the ice time a #1 center should be getting. JT Miller from Tampa is and RFA who will probably get around $5 mil AAV. He definitely has the speed JBots is looking for. Tampa has a lot of young talent in Kucherov, Point and Gourde that they will need to sign after next year so I don't see them being able to give Miller a long term deal. I think if you trade them a prospect and pick we would be able to get him. Ryan Hartman from Nashville is an RFA RW. I think he would be a stud on Jack's wing. Big, physical forward with speed. Nashville probably resigns him for about $3mil AAV, but I think he would be great in a Sabres uniform. Sam Bennett from Calgary could be an interesting pick up as a 2/3 center. Thomas Hertl from SanJose. Kevin Hayes from Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Man this is truely interesting TY Lou! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted April 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 So looking at teams that have cap space that could take on ROR or Okposo and possible returns. Okposo- 1. Carolina- Justin Faulk 2. Arizona- Max Domi 3. NY Rangers- Mats Zuccarello, 3rd rd pick for Okposo and Fasching 4. Vancouver- Brandon Sutter ROR- 1. Arizona- Christian Dvorak 2. NY Rangers- Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello, 2nd rd pick for ROR and Fasching 3. Vancouver- Bo Horvat 4. NJ Devils- Miles Wood and Pavel Zacha 5. San Jose- Tomas Hertl 6. Anaheim- Josh Manson or Brandon Montour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 Are those your ROR full trades? Like what you wrote for ROR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 We would have to add a pick to Okposo just to be able to get rid of him for free...not get legitimately good hockey players back for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted April 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 Are those your ROR full trades? Like what you wrote for ROR? No not full trades just key pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelo Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 I think beyond assembling competent hockey players who can follow a blueprint, you need players who have unquestioned loyalty to the city of Buffalo. This is an ingrediant that has been missing from many Sabre players, who are in reality mercenaries. (A mercenary or soldier of fortune. One is a soldier who can be hired and will fight if the money paid is high enough.) Look at the loyalty of the Maple Leafs. I know they haven't won a playoff series since 2003 and haven't been to the Stanley Cup Finals since 1967 but check out their response to yesterday's van attack in TO. https://www.tsn.ca/maple-leafs-force-game-7-with-emotional-win-for-city-1.1066030. The Leafs are being led by a 20 year old native Torontonian, the diabolically clever Mitchell Marner. You NEED more Buffalonians on this roster. There is much talent in Buffalo. I'd like to stack the lineup with area players. Buffalonians are the only ones who really stick up for Buffalo. Despite the lip service, Buffalo means nothing but a fat paycheck to most of these hired guns, who'd just assume play somewhere else for probably less money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) While I don’t agree that should be our focus, it should be a consideration. Iafalo for example needed to be a Sabre. Sadly we stink and he took his talents elsewhere. We have added a few locals like Marcus Foligno, Bailey and Malone in recent years, but other then Kane we also haven’t produced Marner quality talent. Still I love the idea of grabbing local talent when we can but we also need to give them a reason to want to play here. Edited April 24, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted April 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 Think Chicago would ever part with Kane?? ROR, Bogo, Larsson, and Fasching for Seabrook and Kane??? I know we would have Seabrook cap hit, but his real money is not that bad. Imagine Kane playing on the right side with Mittelstadt!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 We need to build a winner not a team of homeboys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 Imagine Kane playing on the right side with Mittelstadt!!! Imagine Kane on Chippewa more than he already is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marions Piazza Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 Think Chicago would ever part with Kane?? ROR, Bogo, Larsson, and Fasching for Seabrook and Kane??? I know we would have Seabrook cap hit, but his real money is not that bad. Imagine Kane playing on the right side with Mittelstadt!!! Make it stop! You can't give up your crap for another team's gold. In what world is RoR the main part of a trade that lands you one of the best wingers in hockey? Just because you offer 4 players for 2 doesnt mean it's a good trade for Chicago. Bogo is always hurt and even when he plays, he's a way over paid 4th defenseman. Larsson? do you really think Chicago has any use for him? 4th line players are a dime a dozen and Larsson is in that category. Fasching can barely break the 4th line in Rochester these days and didnt he get scratched in 1 or both the playoff games? If you plan on landing Kane + Seabrook, the offer probably has to start at no less than RoR, Risto, Mittelstadt and a 1st. That will at least keep Chicago on the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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