X. Benedict Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I am somewhat fascinated by what is going on at MSG. Rangers export: Jagr, Straka, Shanahan, Tyutin, Backman, Avery and Malik, They import: Rissmiller, Kalinin, Redden, Zherdev, Fritsche, Voros, Naslund. Any theories what they are trying to do? For me I just can't figure out how the pieces add up. It looks like a more mobile defense, a group of wings you can juggle... Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I think if they can get the light to come on for both Kalinin and Zherdev they could have a couple real steals ... but I have no real reason to think they WILL suddenly come into their own under far more scrutiny and pressure in NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresFan526 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I think they've gotten younger at forward and older at defense. I thought their blueline was raw and not very good and they did well because of the experience and scoring up front. Now, I think their blueline is improved, but I'm not convinced of how Kalinin and Redden are going to make a difference. Redden is way overrated and just isn't that good anymore in my opinion, and we all know Kalinin's story. I like some of the moves they made at forward, but there seems to be a bit of a leadership void that I guess Gomez and Drury will be taking on. Personally, I think they've gotten worse, but you know I could be totally wrong and these moves could work out really well to help them get younger and faster and more mobile, especially on the blueline. It'll be interesting, but I'm not sure they are better for these moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrsarkov Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 i am more concerned about what is going on with New Jersey. i figured that any team that signs Kalinin is hurting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodfella25 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I am somewhat fascinated by what is going on at MSG. Rangers export: Jagr, Straka, Shanahan, Tyutin, Backman, Avery and Malik, They import: Rissmiller, Kalinin, Redden, Zherdev, Fritsche, Voros, Naslund. Any theories what they are trying to do? For me I just can't figure out how the pieces add up. It looks like a more mobile defense, a group of wings you can juggle... Thoughts? 1. Jagr and Avery cancers have been removed. 2. Drury has control of that locker room now. 3. Heavy competition for spots on the 3rd and 4th lines. The Rangers are definitely a better team going into 08-09 than they were last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 1. Jagr and Avery cancers have been removed. 2. Drury has control of that locker room now. 3. Heavy competition for spots on the 3rd and 4th lines. The Rangers are definitely a better team going into 08-09 than they were last season. That doesn't really explain the major changes on the back end, though. Not saying they won't be better but ... I think the jury is still out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I think if they can get the light to come on for both Kalinin and Zherdev they could have a couple real steals ... but I have no real reason to think they WILL suddenly come into their own under far more scrutiny and pressure in NYC. Dunno about pressure, but I wonder if there isn't more scrutiny in Buffalo than New York. You really think anyone's going to recognize Kalinin around Manhattan? Being a pro athlete in Buffalo has to be hard. Again, we're down to parsing words, which is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Dunno about pressure, but I wonder if there isn't more scrutiny in Buffalo than New York. You really think anyone's going to recognize Kalinin around Manhattan? Being a pro athlete in Buffalo has to be hard. Again, we're down to parsing words, which is fun. True ... but when he had one of his braincramps in Buffalo he'd have one radio guy and two newpaper guys asking him about it. In NYC he'll have 25 guys crowding around his locker and the backpage of the Post will have his picture and 'Klueless Kalinin' in big bold letters. He had a confidence problem in Buffalo, i can't imagine in getting better on a bigger stage ... but he is probably worth the risk at that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimiVbaby Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Dunno about pressure, but I wonder if there isn't more scrutiny in Buffalo than New York. You really think anyone's going to recognize Kalinin around Manhattan? Being a pro athlete in Buffalo has to be hard. Again, we're down to parsing words, which is fun. For some reason I feel like Kalinin would have been afraid to leave his house... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodfella25 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 That doesn't really explain the major changes on the back end, though. Not saying they won't be better but ... I think the jury is still out. Ah, that's right, how could I forget the ridiculous contract they gave Redden to bring him in. Their D is suspect, as you point out: Redden - Roszival Mara - Staal Girardi - ??? Kalinin, Sanguinetti, Pock Just doesn't look like much depth there. Maybe they're not done. I think they gave up a lot in sending Tyutin to Columbus. He's solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gg1 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Considering how good Kalinin was in making blind passes to the Rangers last year, it's a positive for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 True ... but when he had one of his braincramps in Buffalo he'd have one radio guy and two newpaper guys asking him about it. In NYC he'll have 25 guys crowding around his locker and the backpage of the Post will have his picture and 'Klueless Kalinin' in big bold letters. He had a confidence problem in Buffalo, i can't imagine in getting better on a bigger stage ... but he is probably worth the risk at that price. If a hockey story actually makes the back page of the Post, that really would be news. Living in the area, people here would like to believe it's a bigger stage but i really doubt that it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I am somewhat fascinated by what is going on at MSG. Rangers export: Jagr, Straka, Shanahan, Tyutin, Backman, Avery and Malik, They import: Rissmiller, Kalinin, Redden, Zherdev, Fritsche, Voros, Naslund. Any theories what they are trying to do? For me I just can't figure out how the pieces add up. It looks like a more mobile defense, a group of wings you can juggle... Thoughts? It is interesting indeed. I frankly don't see how they aren't taking a real step back. Avery may have worn out his welcome in the locker room, but he was a real difference-maker for them on the ice -- as, of course, Jagr was too. Shanahan was a blood-and-guts leader (whom I'd love to see in a Sabres uniform this year), Tyutin was a decent defenseman and Straka was a decent forward. Naslund could experience a rebirth, but I would've thought that more likely if he'd been able to play with Jagr. Other than Gomez there isn't much in the way of offensive playmaking left -- and I don't think Naslund can supply much of it on his own anymore. Rismiller is a decent forward but not a difference-maker. Redden, although overpaid, is a very good defenseman. We all know about Kalinin. I frankly wouldn't be surprised to see him play pretty well with the Rangers, although I wouldn't be surprised if he fell off the table either. Bottom line though is that more production and leadership left that team than was imported. I suppose there could be improvements just from Drury and Gomez having a year under their belts there and taking control of the team, but how much? I won't shed any tears if they have a crappy year, that's for sure. Ah, that's right, how could I forget the ridiculous contract they gave Redden to bring him in. Their D is suspect, as you point out: Redden - Roszival Mara - Staal Girardi - ??? Kalinin, Sanguinetti, Pock Just doesn't look like much depth there. Maybe they're not done. I think they gave up a lot in sending Tyutin to Columbus. He's solid. I kinda think Kalinin will (or could, anyway) end up on the 2nd pairing with Staal, who I really like. Mara is a big clumsy doofus. It could be a pretty good situation for Dmitri. Redden and Roszival will play 25-26 min. per game, so Renney might be looking to the 2nd pair for only 14-16 minutes. Staal is big, tough, confident and improving -- maybe he and Kalinin will complement each other well and some of Staal's qualities will rub off on Dmitri. Considering how good Kalinin was in making blind passes to the Rangers last year, it's a positive for them. nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted July 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 This was a team that had a very hard time scoring. Only 3 players with 20+ goals last year. They had a really hard time getting the puck up ice with speed. Redden and even Kalinen may help.....but we'll see if Zherdev is the real deal. I actually think Staal is the one guy they wouldn't pair Kalinin with. But there appear to be plenty of good shrinks in New York - so who knows? - maybe Kalinin will benefit from the change of scenery and extra time on a couch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 If a hockey story actually makes the back page of the Post, that really would be news. Living in the area, people here would like to believe it's a bigger stage but i really doubt that it is. I thought about that ... and you are right, it wouldn't happen that way against the Caps in November. But if he does it in a big game, they might have some fun with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresFan526 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Considering how good Kalinin was in making blind passes to the Rangers last year, it's a positive for them. Hey, let's not give all the credit to Kalinin on that one. Kotalik made a beautiful no-look pass to Shanny last year that went directly onto the tape of Avery for a game winning goal at home. The very same game he scored two goals in earlier on. I will always remember that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Hey, let's not give all the credit to Kalinin on that one. Kotalik made a beautiful no-look pass to Shanny last year that went directly onto the tape of Avery for a game winning goal at home. The very same game he scored two goals in earlier on. I will always remember that game. Ugh. I remember it well. A good microcosm of a lousy season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gg1 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Ugh. I remember it well. A good microcosm of a lousy season. Not only that, but my vote as the game that put the nail into their season. I honestly believe they'd have made the playoffs if that game was a regulation W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Not only that, but my vote as the game that put the nail into their season. I honestly believe they'd have made the playoffs if that game was a regulation W. Yeah there was a lot of hockey left but it sure felt like a turning point at the time and it still does. The next game they blew a 3-0 lead to a Philly team that was 0-8-2 coming in ... if they blow out Philly there, the Flyers are probably the team that misses the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted July 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Yeah there was a lot of hockey left but it sure felt like a turning point at the time and it still does. The next game they blew a 3-0 lead to a Philly team that was 0-8-2 coming in ... if they blow out Philly there, the Flyers are probably the team that misses the playoffs. It was certainly the turning point for Philly. That would have been a devastating loss for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 That doesn't really explain the major changes on the back end, though. Not saying they won't be better but ... I think the jury is still out. Anyone would have a better but if they made changes on the back end. hmm, maybe the jury's still out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresOnTheWarpath Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 better. no jagar plus redden = better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Yeah there was a lot of hockey left but it sure felt like a turning point at the time and it still does. The next game they blew a 3-0 lead to a Philly team that was 0-8-2 coming in ... if they blow out Philly there, the Flyers are probably the team that misses the playoffs. Was that Flyers debacle (with, IIRC, Briere scoring the game-winner in the shootout) the very next game? Yuck. There were so many bad losses last year, but those 2 really do stand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenThePipes00 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Was that Flyers debacle (with, IIRC, Briere scoring the game-winner in the shootout) the very next game? Yuck. There were so many bad losses last year, but those 2 really do stand out. Yeah it was 2 days later ... losing those two back-to-back - at home - was just a killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw16511 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Whatever the hell they are doing, it'd be great if when Callahan has to be re-signed they can't afford him. I wouldn't mind that kid playing in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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