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@JShannonhl: Source confirms that the NHL is planning the private purchase of a COVID vaccine for all constituents involved in the potential upcoming season.

Sure he's off to a hot start, but I'm not buying the hype. He's an undrafted 5'8 23 year old who (historically) has been a 15-20g scorer in the finish league. What's his exceptional skill?

Does this mean the 50th anniversary gold thirds are dead? Those were gorgeous, would be a shame to kick those to the curb for the butter knives.

The latest embedded episode talks alot about how Quinn is a high character guy, has the right "dna" , etc. they're looking for in a Sabre. Were there any character concerns with Rossi? There wasn't one mention of him in that episode. Or did they simply pass on Rossi because Quinn was the more prolific goal scorer?

Thats said, studies show that on average, junior players have higher shooting percentages than pros, which I'm going casually attribute to superior pro goaltending and defense.

His shooting % was in the 20's last season. That's unsustainable, when it drops to 7-8% he'll score maybe 20g becoming a bust of epic proportions.

Charlie? Haha, no way... first Kevin, now Charlie.... I went to school with Charlie (he was a smart kid) and played a bit with him back in the late 80's. Haven't talked to him in years, maybe I'll reach out and try to find out what he's up to.

Let me do this then because it seems to be what you've been asking for.... Over the past 5 seasons he's played 391 games and has 145 assists, which is 0.3708 assists per game. That's an average of 30.41a over an 82 game season... which is 0.5 assists more than his career 82 game average of 29.93a. He's only played 82 games twice, so it doesn't even matter. For example, when the league hands out awards, or does statistical rankings, they don't care what your point totals would be had you played an entire 82 game season. It's the season total that matters, not extrapolated values... that makes no sense. This literally changes nothing whatsoever.

I must be dumb because I honestly don't know what you're talking about or how I could have presented the data any more clearly.

Really? You're offended because I used the phrase "dumb it down"? Wow, ok, hey I'm sorry then.

Again, 2 distinct data points... 1 - mean of previous 5 seasons = 29a / season (which clearly does not include 9 game 1 assist season, as that was 6 seasons ago, not 5) 2 - career average of 0.365a per game, or 29.93a per season (includes 9 game 1 assist season since I clearly state "400 career NHL games")

I disagree with the bolded. Anytime somebody says player X has averaged Y over the past N seasons... I take that as the total of Y divided by N. Not an extrapolated 82 game season average. Those are two very distinct slices of data. I apologize if I misled you, that was not my intent, I'll try to be more clear in the future.

How am I trolling anybody? I've been very clear about the data I've presented. And to be honest, why do you care so much about that 9 game 1 assist season? I barely moves the needle for his career average, so who cares. What is clear tho, is some folks on here have an agenda, and that's simply to try their hardest to discredit anybody who disagrees with them. That said, my skin is thick enough that I don't mind at all engaging in those healthy sometimes heated discussions, but this finger pointing of "he called somebody dumb"... or "he made up fake numbers" type of takes just gets really old and frankly is just plain childish.

LOL... fake numbers, what? And please show me where I called anybody dumb, I'll be waiting. Again, I presented two data points. He's averaged 29a per season over the past 5 seasons. (145 total / 5 seasons = 29) Next I calculated his career per game average and extrapolated that over an 82 game season, which IIRC came out to just under 30a per season. At no point did I use any "fake numbers" or call anybody dumb. Frankly it's tiresome, every time somebody disagrees with you they face a barrage of accusations about how they're so obviously wrong because either they statistics are made up or math is wrong,, etc, etc... Let me remind you, you're the one who presented the question about who is a better hockey player. I'm simply presenting evidence to counter those arguments suggesting Sam is an elite top line winger who drives play with elite vision and passing Obviously I disagree, and I've presented evidence to back that up. You're the "expert," where are all the numbers to back up your claims?

Sam's assists totals each of the past 5 seasons.... 19 30 25 43 28 That's 145 assists... 145/5 = 29a per season Checkmate.

prolly be because of Reinhart's "elite positioning" 🙄

wrong. i used the mean of his previous 5 seasons which does not include the 9 game season. I even tried to dumb it down for you by calculating his career per game avg... still over your head, smh.

Hammymath Matters! Seriously tho... No, I did not count the 1 assist in 9 game season... I took the mean of the previous 5 seasons. Let me put it this way, in 400 career NHL games he has 146 assists, or 0.365 assists/gm... which comes out to 29.93 assists per 82 game season... so I stand corrected... he averages <30 assists per full season, NOT <29 assists per full season. Over the past 5 seasons he ranks 68th in the league in assists by forwards.... 87th when considering at ALL skaters. All of this while playing with a top 5 center, Elite vision and passing? hmmmmmmm What's interesting is that Sam's best season (43a) came when he was playing with Skinner who had 40 tucks. I'd argue Skinner's elite skating and finish ability inflated Reinharts' assist total that season.. so who's the better hockey player?

Yes, elite pest, he get's under the skin of other players and is a disruptive force... as someone who's played the game, this is a valuable underrated trait when it comes to building out a roster. It might be a bit of a stretch but it's an elite metric when compared to your "elite positioning" skill which apparently Sam possesses lol. I agree they are different types of players.... I just think overall, in a vacuum, Skinner is the better hockey player in today's game... mostly because of his ELITE+ skating.

Skinner has elite+ finish ability around the net, he's also an elite forechecker creating lots of turnovers, elite pest. I keep hearing about Sam's elite vision and passing, yet he's averaged <30a per season thus far in his career. Underwhelming, especially when you consider his linemates.

You're mistaken, the thread asked "who is the better hockey player"... Not "who put up more points" . There's more to be being a good hockey player than just putting up points. That said, I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me specifically what makes Sam an elite hockey player.

Skinner is the better all-around player and will always be the better player. To the Reinhart apologists, what is it that Reinhart does so much better than Skinner that makes him the better player? And I need more than "he just does more things better"... I need specifics. For example, Skinner is elite on his edges, elite finish ability, he's tenacious on the forecheck, is a pest that get's under the oppositions' skin. What elite abilities does Sam have?

Nobody here knows him or parents personally. Don't just assume the parents enabled his behavior, or that he has a long history of bullying. My boys are 16 and 14.... I've done my best to show them the right way to treat others, what they do on their own is their decision, not mine. People change, boys mature later than girls, at 15-16-17 we all probably made some terrible life choices at some point. That does not excuse his behavior, but to blacklist the kid from competitive hockey because of a poor decision he made 4-5 years ago as a teenager isn't exactly fair either. HIs statement seemed quite penitent... I'd give him a chance, maybe advise him to perform some community service to show folks he's changed, make a positive impact, and keep him on a very short leash. That said, maybe he's just a jerk, raised by jerks, and if that's the case, launch him.

On the flip side, if they do show out, it will be a challenge to retain them.

This is a fair deal for both sides... I've argued for 5.25-5.75 for Sam and he's at the low end, nice... Now go out and take another step forward this season.