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Well that's kind of my point. They threw him in as an extra. They saw him as a replaceable bottom end player. People here are talking like he's going to be a top line power forward. It's a little far fetched to say the least. Doan could be an upgrade from our bottom 3 of last year but I really don't see him above Krebs level. Don't remember the details or perceptions at that time so I can't really say.

You're just wishing and hoping. It's all they leave us with every year. If this guy if that guy maybe him maybe maybe maybe. Rarely doe much of it come to fruition though. Utah obviously didn't feel this way about Doan or they wouldn't have made the deal.

No. You're twisting the words. You include Cozens as well then. You can then make the argument that Cozens production was crap (which it was) but then also Norris was injured and didn't produce much for them. So last year they expected Cozens to step up. This year they expect Norris to stay healthy. There's always a hope and pray aspect and a young guy stepping up aspect to the Sabres. They don't build with established veterans. So if Benson and Kulich step up or Quinn re-emerges then I guess your forwards aren't terrible but as usual we are relying on a bunch of kids to leap forward and the one kid who did leap forward is gone.

We see this differently but there's no real reason to keep arguing it. For me it's a simpler equation. You take the roster that started last season and then you take the roster that starts this season. Compare and contrast all pieces together.

and we know this is a thing we talk about but they never do.

No but you can't look at the roster and say Norris gives us goals to make up for Peterka. That still leaves you filling a forward spot and either Kulich or Benson has to step up and emerge big time. I just think there are too many too young players in our top 6 to make any kind of headway.

We were talking a while back about how several teams this year were leaving cap space and we speculated it was for next year's big list of FAs but now I'm wondering if one or more team was anticipating this result.

Well then you have to factor Cozens back in too.

You went a little too far back for the first two but I guess. Moulson didn't exactly work out though did he? Who was the 1st? Nylander for Jokiharju is a wash, Neither is here. So it's Nylander for Boston's 4th round pick. Which is really a high first round pick ending up as a 4th round pick. Big fail. O'Reilly didn't work out here and just adds to the issues. For all his flaws I think Zadorov would have filled a big need here over the years. Man is a mistake machine but he's also a beast. He wouldn't have stood by when Tage got hit. The high picks can't count because anybody and everybody would have done that. It's a reward for failure. Even in that you have the Reinhart Draisaitl debate. Ullmark sure, but we lost him, and yes JJP was a good pick but he's also gone in his prime years. Kane should never have been brought here and Zucker is meh. Mid level free agent player who got overpaid. It's fine but it's not an accomplishment. McLeod yes, even if Savoie is good, because we needed help now not later. The net loss gain on every season is a loss in terms of moves. If it wasn't we'd be decent and we are not.

I'm trying to think of a list of 10 good moves they made and all I can come up with is the Risto trade and maybe trading for McLeod.

Don't be so sure about Philly. I mean probably, but Ersson can be better than UPL and Vladar can be as good if not better than Lyon. Problem they've had is the 2 Russians were awful and Ersson got burned out. Ersson with a lighter workload could be better than UPL. The possibles are all possibles except for Silovs. I really like him and think he might be pretty good. Other teams would say the same thing you say about Gibson about UPL. I think the bottom line is IF goaltending is the key factor to making the playoffs we won't.

Oh no I'm sure he will score some. Might even have a high scoring stretch, but I don't think anything will be radically different from what we've already seen from him in Ottawa. Oh I know. I like Kulich. Always have if you've noticed, and as usual I do think we are rushing him.

No offense, but these sort of stats comparing a D man to a forward are totally meaningless. The meaningful stat next season will be does Power get more points playing with Kesselring and do the two of them prevent more goals as well. You seriously have Doan in a top 6 role? I must be missing something on him. He's not his dad you know. How is he anything more than a bottom 6 guy?

Well yes, and I've certainly never relied on "numbers". I've always argued about line chemistry and roster make up and imo it's still inherently flawed. I like Kesselring and am hopeful for him. Timmins idk. I'm not so sure he's better than Clifton was. We shall see. There is hope for a Power/Kesselring pairing however. The top 6 is problematic to me though. It's fully reliant on Quinn bouncing back and more and on 2 kids emerging and I think it's too soon for them to do that. Kulich and Benson should be third line players right now not top line, but that's what the Sabres keep doing. Thompson can and likely will score a bunch of goals anytime anywhere, but aside from the relative consistency of Tuch, the rest of the top 6 is a big question mark.

Well that's certainly what Ottawa was thinking. I stand by my prediction that this year's excuse is going to be injuries and a lot of "if only..........hadn't missed those games" and then they stay the course yet again. A self fulfilling prophecy.

I don't think Norris will play more than half the season but maybe I'm just too pessimistic. Peterka on the other hand I think will have a great year as that Mammoth top 6 looks like a really solid group that should fit together nicely. You never know though. He could sit back and just enjoy his new contract.

Really? This is what you choose to put in a tribute thread the day after he dies? Wow. just wow. A favorite song of mine by 2 (now gone) legends of old school hard living rock and roll.

Well there's nothing and no one that makes you say they are perfect as is. Not the management, not the coaches, not the players. We have no character, no identity, no future. It is the most inept sports franchise in North America.

You sound like Adams. So much belief in Quinn. He hasn't shown that at all. He might do that, but he also might do next to nothing. Yes I would trade Dahlin if I could make the team better. I have no interest in trading Dahlin for the sake of trading but if I can get better I trade anybody. Nothing and no one on this team has shown themselves to be so brilliant they are a cornerstone. There's nothing to be a cornerstone of. Honestly, if I could, I'd trade the entire roster and start over like an expansion team. Teams are still looking to make moves. Many teams around the league are actually trying to win. I know, it's an odd concept Sabres fans aren't used to.

Why Quinn? NOBODY on a losing roster is no move for me.

Right now, but earlier there were more. You need to be more proactive and anticipate teams that want cap relief. Dallas and Vegas were both options for sure among others. You get on the phone to those teams BEFORE free agency starts.

You're absolutely right, but that's a common thing with GMs in general. They stand by their guys over the guys from the previous GM. I guess it's partly stubbornness and partly feeling a need to justify their actions but most GMs believe in the guys they believed in at first often regardless of what's actually happening. So I'm not surprised. He overpaid him too, but thankfully not long term. Maybe Quinn will become what he wants but so far I see no reason to believe that's true.

I read somewhere on twitter that this D of Dahlin Byram Power Kesselring Samuelsson Timmons is the youngest D in the league. Don't know if that's true or not. I think if Zucker, Greenway and Norris all go on IR at some point the roster would be one of the youngest if not the youngest again. We definitely still lack veteran experience and leadership. Their plan is stupid.

You see an edited version? The Quinn comment I laughed about is at 25:45

Amusing how little of that was on free agency. I admit I did laugh however when Adams got the phone call from Quinn and asked him if he was in the weight room.