PerreaultForever

Oh I see, so your argument is we were not really as good as our record last year and thus we are basically the same. I can accept that logic, but ultimately it's still on the coach to get the maximum out of his roster and to make them better and he didn't do that. Inconsistency and sometimes lack of effort or intensity were hallmarks of this team. It's clear listening to the exit interviews that :accountability" would be a new thing going forward with a new coach and was clearly not part of this year's team.

Also, if I wasn't clear on the coach comments he'd be the perfect conduit between players and coach if it is Gallant or Ruff.

How did we not underachieve? We were worse than the year before when all the "experts" were saying this is was supposed to be the year we challenge and possibly make the playoffs. Do you believe this year's roster was worse than the year before? We added Benson and we got decent goaltending after UPL stepped up. How is the lack of improvement not on the coach?

I challenge anyone to watch the locker room clear out videos/interviews and tell me Tuch shouldn't be the captain. Compare him to Dahlin and decide for yourself. As for Greenway, somebody test that dude for THC content or something. Talk about over mellow detachment. Wow. Also noteworthy are Tuch's comments on Ruff and Gallant.

Oh ya it's normal for Sabres fans to hate Bruins. There's old history and rivalry too. Great old playoff series way way back. Leafs should be hated most though. One, just because of all the Canadian media love they get and when they lose that becomes hilariously entertaining and also just because they are right there over the river and up the highway. It's like Philly hating Pittsburgh. You just have to.

Ya, he's been on LTIR for quite a while now. Nobody is saying why. There is some speculation that he has never gotten over Covid and has issues from that. It's all guesswork though as Flyers won't say.

New coach changes everything and there's no way to predict who will thrive and who might struggle and even who might quit on the new guy. A new veteran NHL coach might be much less forgiving of mistakes and expectations could change for everyone. I think Benson will be fine, but a sophomore slump will not be unexpected.

I'd be fine with this. The type of player that comes back would be key to it though. We already talked about that elswhere but for the sake of @inkman's argument I'm not sure it qualifies because of Mitt's upcoming contract. Trading away a guy you don't have to trade would be a bigger statement. Also, as we discussed before, I don't want to just rearrange pieces, I'd want guys with skill sets we don't already have. Byram didn't do that imo. Trading Dahlin would be a massive move and I think it's pretty unlikely but for me it would have to be for roster players and not picks and prospects like Eichel. Any move they make for me has to be to win now. Only way I'm happy with picks/prospects coming in is if they end up with a surplus body they need to ditch after making a deal for multiple new players (like eg. trading Dahlin for 3-4 roster players). Overall, I just want competitive hard nosed guys brought in. Pros and leaders who want to win every night.

Well he was right on about firings. Let's hope he's on about trades/changes as well.

GM usually gets a year or two more than the coach. I suspect he is on notice though. It has to be playoffs or bust next year.

You are evading the point that Flyers were not expected to be any good. Sabres were. The 3 teams that were expected to challenge for the playoffs were Buffalo, Ottawa and Detroit. They all failed but Detroit almost got there and did improve to jump over Buffalo. Flyers, were expected to be in the Cellebrini sweepstakes with San Jose and Anaheim. So the Flyers finishing ahead of Buffalo screams to Buffalo's failure.

No, they played a physical dominating style in the playoffs. They were solid all over and it was true "playoff hockey".

GMs usually get to go through a coach or two before they get canned. It's the normal cycle of NHL life. It goes like this. GM comes in and says he will make changes. They tear down the roster and/or bring in a coach. That coach fails he is the first to take the blame. If he's fired early GM might get a second coach before it's everybody out the door. If Adams picks a coach now and still misses the playoffs next year I suspect he will be fired as well. and then it repeats until you win.

The question among Philly fans is where is he and what's wrong with him? Nobody seems to know. To all the people who said Kane would suck if we signed him, 47 pts. in 49 games or something like that so I guess his hip is okay. I got the first round match ups I wanted. Hate the Leafs always, Bruins are my B team, can't ask for more than that. Florida should also be a total war. Going to be some good hockey.

Absolute and utter BS. Loyalty is a two way street. If a player does not give a team maximum effort and commitment you owe him nothing. promises to young players? wtf? Why is an organization fallen into such a sh**y state that you have to make multiple promises to people who should be just happy to be in the NHL period. WIN AND EVERYBODY WILL WANT TO BE HERE! (Bolded and caped for the added emphasis because of course I know about bolding and your intention disdain towards me is your problem not mine) Top line players have to earn top line status, or at least that is how an organization SHOULD be run. They should not be anointed and held in that status just because of their name and their perceived status. Skinner was a top line forward. He ended on the 3rd line and really was only there because there was nobody else. Heck, Greenway was a top line forward at one point and he certainly isn't. Tuch plays top line, but he's really only 2nd line value. Regardless, your ice time and status should ALWAYS be EARNED and it's an ongoing process and evaluation. That's how it SHOULD be. I saw EVERY game this year. I will stop when I want to not when you want me to. I hate what this team has become. I miss what they used to be. My suggestion to you is focus your critiques on the team in question and the anxiety and disappointment it produces in you and not on other fans and posters. Do better.

I suspect Adams looks at Vancouver and thinks yes, a coach can make that impact.

Well, he got ROR to love hockey again. Berube is a hard nosed demanding coach but he might be over rated. Hard to say for sure. He had good assistants and a good spot to fall into. What he did was impressive but it didn't last so it also brings up questions.

Anything's possible. Carolina could sign him and then we might even trade for him. Stranger things have happened. But it is of course unlikely.

I agree with the first sentence entirely. To the rest though I think it could be both. A coach to push the young guys on the roster and raise the standard, but ALSO willing to make deals and bring in veterans now to lead and round out the roster. We will know more when they actually hire somebody.

This is the most troubling thing imo. To me it's clearly a situation where Adams wants a trusted spy in the locker room. His eyes and ears. Ellis is useless as a coach. It's a dysfunctional recipe.

I like the fact that he said the standard had to be raised. I've been saying the bar was too low here for years so that was good to hear. I didn't like that he said TP called him every day and was engaged and had ideas and Adams went through a long praising of TP like a suck up lacky. TP needs to deal with those "personal matters" and stop calling. Let the hockey people do hockey and get out of the way.

Prospect pool might actually work against it as coaches want to win now and very few will want to sign on for any kind of long term development plan. They all want GMs who are ready and willing to do whatever they can now and in the near future to make the on ice roster better, and that will include trading prospects. The firing of Granato makes me think Adams might be willing to make the moves now or he feels pressured to make it happen now for his own job.

It should be and could be BUT the second part about the owner that doesn't meddle is flat out wrong and if the word on that meddling is out there around the league it just might NOT be an appealing job for a veteran coach. Gallant for example already has a reputation for doing things his own way and not necessarily getting along with those upstairs. So I doubt he'd be coming here. Certainly not without term. I won't judge until they make the move but if Ellis stays he's clearly Adam's eyes and ears in the room and that's disfunctional to start. There is no reason on earth for any of the assistants to be retained aside from maybe (and only maybe) Bales as goalies do their own thing off to the side anyway. I'd love it to be Brind'Amour. I'd be happy with Ruff. I'd be even happier with Ruff and Peca as his assistant head coach. I'd give Peca a big benefit of a doubt and I'd still be optimistic. That's all the names I have at the moment.

I agree with this entirely. He has a tenacity that most of them lack. I had hoped that Cozens would be this but so far he's not. maybe Benson with the right coach will be infectious in the right way.

idk what will happen but all I know is I am more optimistic today than I was yesterday. It's a start.